If Vaccines don’t cause Autism why is it a side effect listed on the package insert with the FDA!



UK to give pertussis vaccine to newborns? Autism and SIDS are on the package insert

Here is a clear measure of medical insanity and the threat it represents to the health and life of your children: UK authorities are considering giving the pertussis vaccine to newborns, even though there are no safety studies to support vaccination of newborns.

Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and autism are listed on the pertussis vaccine package insert (filed with the FDA) under serious adverse events reported during post-approval use. ‘Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/uk-to-give-pertussis-vaccine-to-newborns-autism-and-sids-are-on-the-package-insert/#.VZVIv_kUWiM

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/the-pertussis-vaccine-lists-autism-and-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-as-serious-adverse-events-on-the-package-insert/#.VZVIv_kUWiM

I really could not believe this one so I had to check for myself and low and behold its true!

It’s on Page 11…

“Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2″
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm101580.pdf

 

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469 Responses

  1. hvaiallverden says:

    You “see” their “logic”.
    Its like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
    No matter how solid, no matter if its even writen in their own manuals to follow the product in question, no matter how flawed their “medical” science is becomed, infact so flawed its a nusance and I am not the only one, when even editores of medical jurnals sayes the same about the “science” behind it is.
    And so on.
    The denile, the strawmens, ad homninems so lame it hurts, and WE are acused of been “anti scientific” and on topp of it, hated for been “acomplishing” to murder of inocent children since we arent vaccinated.
    And when I say that show me the numbers.
    They scream at me.

    The facts are opositt, its the vaccine that infects people since its statisticaly, as the comlexety and widespreading of the vaccine witch if acording to their insane logic must have some of the “problems” the vaccine is supoused to be against.
    Capice.
    I say, that this is a ilution of comon sense.
    If you induce measels, the person is infected and is derbay fully capable to infect others since the natural meaels does exactly the same from exatly the same vantage point, the Blood and thereby fuilds and so on, all capable to infect, and with incubation times so long it increases the exponential range and inpact sone, exponentialy.

    The fatcs, is Vaccines is a flatout joke and fake thruoutly, since the problem is even VIDER now then in the natural causes.
    And again, poor countrys, with poor sanitarian systems, poor healcare, will have problems, but the kill rate is equallt doe to low imune systemic defences since the children often is malnurited and week.

    The should hang, all of them.

    peace

    • Sara Scott says:

      I generally tend to take my medical advice from people who can’t spell or use proper grammar, as opposed to those that went to accredited medical schools. It is quite logical. No wonder you do it. I guess I will just have to go back to being all healthy and stuff over here, despite the several vaccinations I received in my lifetime.

      • Suki49 says:

        I have to say, in this case, some people who don’t have proper spelling or grammar skills (for various reasons) do show common sense.

        • DJEB says:

          But not in this case.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Drive by stupid

          • Sara Scott says:

            Do you mean, “drive by, stupid” or do you mean “drive by stupid.” It is like the “Let’s eat, Grandpa” example below. The first example is you telling DJEB to drive by, then calling him stupid. The way you typed your comment makes little sense. I’m not sure what a “drive by stupid” is, but it seems you are describing a certain type of stupid as the drive by type? I’ll help you understand better. If I tell you, “move on, stupid,” I am calling you stupid and telling you to move on. If I type, “move on stupid,” I am telling you to make a move on someone named or called “stupid” or telling you I am going to move on a day named “stupid,” which doesn’t exist, but should probably be Mondays. Way to call someone stupid and simultaneously make yourself look pretty stupid.

          • AutismDadd says:

            All that to say DUH?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Do you mean, “All that to say, ‘DUH?'”

          • AutismDadd says:

            what-ev

        • Sara Scott says:

          Great! So you just need someone with “common sense” to perform your heart surgery, right? No medical background needed when someone has common sense! I mean, common sense is like the highest form of intelligence. Not sure why they invented research and facts and stuff when it is all about what I think is common sense. Sorry, I’m off to go have my leg amputated by my neighbor Larry. He is a manager at T Mobile, but DAMN does he have common sense. I can trust my LIFE with him. /s

          • Suki49 says:

            Wow, you went all the way around the mulberry bush. The response about common sense was in reply to someone comparing spelling/grammar to the ability to discern what happens when known toxins are injected.

            And although what you’re raving on about doesn’t have anything to do with the original issue, let’s go there:

            Some doctors have a lot more common sense than other doctors. The smart and vigilant citizen, if he is given that option, will look for a heart surgeon with a good record of successful surgeries, in the same way that the smart and vigilant citizen will pay heed to what is being said about vaccinations, and do some investigating.

            You must be under the impression that all doctors embrace and endorse vaccinations. No, the honest, smart, brave ones are speaking out against them, writing about them, in the face of losing their licenses, and worse. The ones who go along with the corporate agenda get monetary bonuses. The ones who are speaking out have everything to lose, except their integrity.

            The bottom line is that the brave and honest doctors are up against hugely financially profiting industries. That is WHY we have to educate ourselves and choose the right doctors.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I see, so a doctor is only smart if they tell you what you want to hear and confirm a stupid irrational fear of being vaccinated against a preventable disease? I truly feel bad for doctors. I’m a lawyer and have had clients that try to argue with me that the law doesn’t apply to them or that they will not suffer the consequences. Ultimately, they always do. Sadly, those who would suffer the consequences of ignoring a doctor’s advice would do more than lose money, they could lose their lives. Even worse, parents make this stupid decision to ignore all medical advice regarding vaccines when it comes to their kids. So their carrots MUST be organic because of “toxins,” but we certainly can’t vaccinate them against measles! P.S. The doctors speaking out against vaccines are hacks, just like the dude who lost his medical license for lying to the world and stating that vaccines cause autism. I guess you did your research and found the worst possible “doctors” to confirm a stupid bias, instead of listening to the equivalent of a heart doctor with several successful surgeries. Go ask that heart doctor about vaccines and see what she says. Bet she strongly recommends them!

          • AutismDadd says:

            You are embarrassing yourself.

          • Suki49 says:

            It’s really pointless to engage with people who aren’t even armed with a trolls’ standard script of clever convoluted arguments. AND, you’re a lawyer? You would surely lose in court against any attorney armed with facts. I agree with Autism Dadd.

          • Sara Scott says:

            How many years have you practiced law?

          • Suki49 says:

            How many years have I practiced law? Absolutely none, which is why it is all the more ironic that in a fair hearing, I’d mop the floor with your assertions.

          • sabelmouse says:

            :)

          • Sara Scott says:

            LOL! Definition of “assertion” – a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief. If you were in court and started saying something about what you believe with no proven facts to back you up, the judge would mop the floor with you! Though I am not a litigator, I can tell you, that is not how that works. In this case, the facts are very clearly on my side. There is no proven causal link between vaccines and autism or most of the things you people are so afraid of. If you read on the internet that water can give you autism, people like you would dehydrate to death for fear of “catching” autism. It is quite baffling, really.

          • Suki49 says:

            I suppose you’re thinking it’s a slick attorney move to flip the pancake, and turn your assertions into mine, because I was referring, VERY CLEARLY (go back and look at it) to “your assertions.”

            And, that’s all you’ve been giving. You haven’t even referred to any “studies” done by the foxes who guard the trillion dollar hen houses. A lazy effort.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I ask you, what information will you believe? Only information from sites you agree with, I assume? That is not how facts work. I truly did not believe, and did not want to believe, that Brian Williams lied about being in a helicopter near battle. I looked it up and enough credible resources confirmed to convince me of the truth. I ask you, what would it take for you to believe that the information Wakefield made up is not correct and that vaccines are far more harmful than good? You may want to ask yourself if you do this a lot and maybe work on changing. Being able to discern fact from fiction is a very important tool in life. The hysteria about vaccines is fiction, but no matter who disproves the propaganda, people still insist in believing it. They think a strongly held belief in something fictional is the same as actual fact. That is how we ended up with “alternative facts” instead of calling them what they are, lies. When the vast majority of experts agree, I will go with them over people who think they know stuff because the mommy blog told them it was true.

          • AutismDadd says:

            You have a simple view of it. It works against you.

          • AutismDadd says:

            What about vaccines and seizure disorders? Any links?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Nope :D Around 50% of people with epilepsy don’t know why they have it. Do you know why that is? We can’t go poking around in brains to find out, because that is how you kill or disable people. Kind of like with Autism. Just because we don’t know the cause, doesn’t mean the cause is vaccines. One of my well respected neurologists informed me that scientists are finding more and more, after doing autopsies, that idiopathic epilepsy is often caused by microscopic fissures in the brain, formed in utero. BTW, I was 23 when I developed epilepsy. I would estimate my last vaccine prior to that was when I was about 18. So no, vaccines did not cause my epilepsy, nor is there any direct causal link to epilepsy disorders in others.

          • AutismDadd says:

            So they DON’T know and therefore there’s no link? Sounds like Vaccine science.

          • Judith says:

            A small example of epilepsy caused by vaccines and the medical mafia:

            “Child recently removed from family at gunpoint

            … for showing the world his son’s vaccine reaction

            “Imagine this scenario: Your perfectly healthy baby boy begins having 14 seizures a day, the day after receiving the Meningitis B Vaccine. You get no answers from your GP, or anybody else, for that matter. You make a video of your young boy to warn other parents that there might be something wrong with the vaccine. You start looking into vaccines and conclude you won’t be vaccinating your child/children anymore. This results in your boy being removed from your home, because your anti-vaccine stance might harm him. Imagine it. Luke Maguire and Louise McKever don’t have to imagine that scenario. They’ve lived it for the last year.” – Richie Allen, radio presenter

            After receiving no help from their GP, or anyone else in the medical field, the outspoken father started sharing their experiences on Facebook with a video of Bobby having his seizures. He hoped to warn other parents that Bexsaro might be unsafe. He said it caused a quick decline in their son’s health and gave him severe epilepsy, which he did not have prior to receiving the vaccine.

            After Father Spoke Out About First Vaccine Causing Issues, Social Services Threatened to Take Child”

          • AutismDadd says:

            Then tell us what the other 50% know about why they have it.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Brain tumors, malformations in the brain that the person was born with, brain injury (during birth or later from accidents or abuse, etc.), encephalitis, meningitis, stroke, genetic conditions, and low blood sugar (my friend’s husband is diabetic and has had as many seizures as I have). Google “causes of epilepsy” for more info.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I guess since you two agree, that makes you experts, eh? Typical people who think they know “facts” when it is really just their opinion. BTW, I am not a litigator. Never represented a client in court. Maybe you are correct, maybe not, but we shall never know. The attempt at a dig was pretty funny, though.

          • AutismDadd says:

            A wise admission

          • Cypher says:

            Maybe if you’re not so driven by emotion people would starting taking you a bit ore serious. Are you suggesting that doctors are knowledgeable in vaccines?

            Regarding:

            “The doctors speaking out against vaccines are hacks, just like the dude
            who lost his medical license for lying to the world and stating that
            vaccines cause autism….”

            First of all, nobody gives any credence in your opinion. We deal in fact.

            Secondly…

            Maybe you can prove your point by producing the “dude’s” (Andrew Wakefield) original research paper co-written by 12 other scientists?

          • Sara Scott says:

            No really, 13 whole people out of how many million. I’ll go with this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/. That study is FACT. You deal in “the only facts that I consider actual facts are those I like, not those I do not.” Do you know that there is a small group (but way more than 13) that claims that the earth is flat? They have all types of “research” as well, but they are wrong. The earth is NOT flat and vaccines do NOT cause autism. http://nypost.com/2017/06/01/some-people-still-somehow-believe-that-the-world-is-flat

          • Cypher says:

            I asked you to produce the actual study. You have not. If I ask someone to show me a crime scene, it doesn’t make sense to produce a video of one. Try again and stay on the main thread, please.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Thank you, but you can look it up. Dudes on the internet demanding I do something is hilarious and sad.

          • Cypher says:

            Waiting…

          • Sara Scott says:

            Don’t hold your breath! You will die :D

          • Cypher says:

            So, let’s rewind and recap your arguments:

            -You called all doctors that are against mandatory chemical injections quacks but cannot provide any kind of verifiable evidence to that effect other than your opinion.

            -You mentioned the “dude” that came out with the study linking vaccines to autism that was apparently discredited but refused to produce the actual study in question as your proof.

            -You ranted that all the ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers were a threat to your infant, while at the same time being un-vaccinated for chickenpox (thus relying on the lifelong immunity that you received after contracting it as a child). < — I'm still chuckling over that one.

            -You admitted that vaccines can cause adverse reactions but refused to provide any details whatsoever on what those adverse reactions are.

            Let me offer you a bit of advice about the basic rules of debating:

            -State your actual argument and provide justification to support your argument.
            -Stick to the justification(s) rather than jumping around from point to point.
            -Do not get defensive.
            -Don't avoid direct questions unless they are tangents.
            -No personal insults.

            If you truly believe in your argument there is no reason to violate any of these rules.

            Violation of the rules is an indicator that you have a weak argument.

            You, my dear, seem to be violating *ALL* of these, especially with your feeble attempt to demean and distract people by pointing out their typos and grammar. As a reminder, the world does not revolve around the USA or the UK and there are non-native English speaking individuals on the internet.

          • Sara Scott says:

            LOL! Someone is clearly a troll trying to get clicks for Wakefield.

          • Cypher says:

            For our worldwide audience, let me attempt to bring you up to speed on the ramblings and abysmal arguments of Sara Scott, who constantly tries to change the subject:

            -Sara Scott called all doctors that are against mandatory chemical injections quacks but cannot provide any kind of verifiable evidence to that effect other than her opinion.

            -Sara Scott mentioned the “dude” that came out with the study linking vaccines to autism that was apparently discredited but refused to produce the actual study in question as her proof.

            -Sara Scott ranted that all the ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers were a threat to Sara Scott’s infant, while at the same time being un-vaccinated for chickenpox (thus relying on the lifelong immunity that Sara Scott received after contracting it as a child). < — I'm still chuckling over that one.

            -Sara Scott admitted that vaccines can cause adverse reactions but refused to provide any details whatsoever on what those adverse reactions are.

            Sara Scott continues her attempt to distract and deflect from these main points. Have pity on Sara Scott. She’s utterly clueless and believes everyone is a conspiracy nut, while producing nothing whatsoever to prove that she’s done even the tiniest bit of research (or critical thinking) on her medieval chemical injections.

          • Sara Scott says:

            For the love of Christ, you are stupid. Doctors literally will not give an adult who has had chickenpox, the chickenpox vaccine. “Who Should Not Get Chickenpox Vaccine
            You do not need to get the chickenpox vaccine if you have evidence of immunity against the disease.” https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html

            Feel bad for Cypher, his is just plain dumb.

          • Cypher says:

            Your link does not provide an answer. I see this:

            Who Should Not Get Chickenpox Vaccine

            You do not need to get the chickenpox vaccine if you have evidence of immunity against the disease.

            Some people should not get chickenpox vaccine or they should wait.

            People should not get chickenpox vaccine if they have ever had a
            life-threatening allergic reaction to a previous dose of chickenpox
            vaccine or any component of the vaccine, including gelatin or the
            antibiotic neomycin.

            People who are moderately or severely ill at the time the shot is
            scheduled should usually wait until they recover before getting
            chickenpox vaccine.

            Pregnant women should not get chickenpox vaccine. They should wait
            to get chickenpox vaccine until after they have given birth. Women
            should not get pregnant for 1 month after getting chickenpox vaccine.

            People with the following conditions should check with their doctor
            about whether they should get chickenpox vaccine, including anyone who:

            Has HIV/AIDS or another disease that affects the immune system

            Is being treated with drugs that affect the immune system, such as steroids, for 2 weeks or longer

            Has any kind of cancer

            Is getting cancer treatment with radiation or drugs

            People who recently had a transfusion or were given other blood
            products should ask their doctor when they may get chickenpox vaccine.

            ===========
            Did you provide proof of immunity?

            I’m still waiting on the answer about your husband.

          • Sara Scott says:

            “Evidence of immunity to varicella includes any of the following:
            “Diagnosis or verification of a history of varicella or herpes zoster by a health care provider.”

            https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/hcp/immunity.html

            My proof is my diagnosis by a doctor when I was 3 years old. I don’t know if my husband got a booster. And I actually have had test run that show my immunity to chickenpox. His parents got the first one, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t get the second one.

          • Cypher says:

            Anecdotal, but I’ll let you slide on that one. People are very rarely asked to provide proof. Your link to the CDC website did not state that doctors *will not* give people vaccines if they’ve had chickenpox already (your words). Anyway….So you really do admit that you are relying solely on your natural lifelong immunity from chickenpox because you received it as a child?

            Since now you finally answered question of your husband receiving a chickenpox booster I’ll assume that the answer is no. Why are you not worried??

            Even if he did, since the artificial means of immunization is not lifelong (if it works at all) your husband is a walking disease factory (as most adults are) according to your own logic. Why on earth then do you harp on ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers?

            You do know that you’re painting yourself into a corner with your twisted logic, don’t you?

          • Sara Scott says:

            You know you are making assumptions and completely illogical arguments, don’t you.
            #1 – you assume my husband didn’t get the booster. I assume he did. His parent vaccinated him according to all schedules. His father is an immigrant and immigrants actually have a higher rate of vaccination. I told his parents they needed their TDap to be around their grandchild and they had it within 2 weeks. BTW, this is more proof against the theory that docs get kickbacks. My OBGYN told me to tell everyone that is going to be around the baby vaccinated. He gets no money for that. None of my family are his OB patients and, even if they were, you go see a general practitioner, or, like my in-laws, go to Rite-Aid.
            #2 – a “disease factory” implies my husband has the disease to output. He does not. He is not infected with chickenpox and it is 98% likely he never will be. If the 2% happens, maybe he can stay with his single brother until he gets well. I can harp on anti-vaxxers because they hate the truth and facts, which puts people in danger. My husband is not putting anyone in danger currently. Your argument is attenuated, at best.
            #3 – you get well from chickenpox. The chance of dying from the disease is about .0000125%, on the high end. So no, I am not scared. It is not even so much the chicken pox I prefer to prevent against, but the great increase in the likelihood of shingles if one has had the chickenpox.
            #4 – yes, I am relying on my immunity. If the vaccine were offered to me, I would take it. See #5 for why it is not offered to me. Also, if I get chickenpox again, I probably won’t die. I care more about measles, mumps, rubella, polio, whooping cough, etc. If you don’t want to give your kid Guardasil, fine! Your kid can’t cough on my kid and give them HPV and cancer.
            #5 – If you think a doctor will give a person a vaccine in contravention of the CDCs advice, you are high. They won’t give you the vaccine because that just opens them up to lawsuits. If they knowingly give it to anyone that qualifies as, “Who should not receive the vaccine,” they will be sued. To avoid suit, you just refuse to give the vaccine to those who shouldn’t receive it. Call a doctor, tell them you’ve had chicken pox and see if they will give you a vaccine for it. Now, keep calling and let me know if you ever find one. I could tell a lawyer friend all about it.

          • Cypher says:

            You’re making an assumption that your husband has gotten a booster. Regardless of that it would make no difference because any immunity wanes from artificial means. Its the reason you have boosters in the first place in case you didn’t know.

            “you get well from chickenpox. The chance of dying from the disease is about .0000125%, on the high end…”

            So you also admit that the chickenpox disease is comparatively low risk. Why, then is the chemical injection mandatory? I think you have a greater risk of dying from a bad cold.

            You also admit that you rely on natural immunity but at the same time you chastise ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers for doing the same thing. Too many things in your logic are backwards and don’t add up.

            Do you have any remaining arguments on this particular topic? You really struggled with this one. If not, let’s move on to the adverse reactions.

          • AutismDadd says:

            When my kids had them they ran around playing. Had no loss of energy and if that’s being sick, they should give us chicken pox to perk us up.

          • Cypher says:

            Yep. I remember when getting sick was legal and expected.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Yes, good point. The way law is used to coerce medical staff, school staff, politicians, churches etc to badger parents is the new world order.

          • sabelmouse says:

            pretty sad state of a marriage if you don’t know each others vaccine status.

          • sabelmouse says:

            watch out for that asymptomatic transmission of pertussis through the vaccinated.
            of course you’ll just blame someone else if your child gets it.

          • Sara Scott says:

            BTW, I am not shocked that you asked a question, got the answer (yes,I have been tested for immunity), but dismiss it because it was not the answer you expected. let me guess, you assumed on that one too, eh?

          • Cypher says:

            Well, the point that I’ve made already is that you’re relying on natural immunity. Something that goes against your “across the board mandatory chemical injections for all with zero liability” bonanza. Do you need me to spell this out phonetically for you?

          • AutismDadd says:

            That’s a lot of reasons to NOT get the CP vac. Maybe its simply great advice since the EXPERTS are the ones warning us.

          • AutismDadd says:

            What evidence? Who provides it?

          • Suki49 says:

            Oh, well, now I half apologize for my previous comment that you didn’t provide any studies from the foxes guarding the trillion dollar henhouses. You finally coughed up a couple. You’re learning how to be a good pharma troll.

          • Sara Scott says:

            See above. You can’t demand studies, then say every single one of them is untrue because you personally think so. The only way you can disprove a study is to do one on your own. Better hurry, Cypher is waiting for you to do it.

          • AutismDadd says:

            You think all studies are valid and solid? Good luck with that.

          • Suki49 says:

            There you go again, being slippery. Or maybe you REALLY ARE dense, and never do get the point.
            I didn’t demand studies, and I stated up front that I know that the pharma trolls always go to the profiteers for their “studies.” I just mentioned, with humor, that you were trying to convince readers with the lazy person’s methods – those assertions that you tried to turn around on me. So, since you continually seem to (intentionally or unintentionally) miss the point, I really am going to take my own advice and drop out of this “conversation.” Any thinking person on the fence has plenty of information within the article, and all the comments (many with links) to read and compare, and make up their minds accordingly. And I’ll make up my own mind under which circumstances I’d seek out the services of “Larry,” rather than my local M.D.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Groan…the earth is flat nonsense

          • Sara Scott says:

            Maybe you should work on logic skills? “#2 Many doctors/scientists are coming forward against vaccines
            First, realize that this “many” is an exceedingly small portion of professionals, so this entire argument is an inflation of conflict fallacy. Further, this argument is also a blatant appeal to authority fallacy. It doesn’t matter what crackpot position you believe in, you can find someone with an advanced degree that agrees with you. You can find Ph.D.s in physics that argue that gravity isn’t true, and M.D.s that argue that smoking doesn’t cause cancer, but it would be absurd of me to say, “Many doctors are coming out and saying that smoking doesn’t cause cancer, therefore smoking is safe.” Also, notice the inconsistency in the anti-vaccer’s logic. Any time that I bring up a paper the shows that vaccines work/are safe, they instantly respond with, “those researchers were paid by pharmaceutical companies and shouldn’t be trusted” (which is rarely true), but any time that someone agrees with them, they instantly believe that source. This is classic cherry-picking of data (i.e., its a sharpshooter fallacy).” https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/02/01/15-common-anti-vaccine-arguments-and-why-they-are-a-load-of-crap/

          • Suki49 says:

            This isn’t about how many doctors, etc., It is about the quality of what those doctors are saying, and why many more who know what is going on are not feeling brave enough to say it openly.

            Intelligent people, who can figure things out for themselves, don’t need you or the profiteers to tell them what is true and what is not. They can read all information from all sides and make their own decisions. Which is why it is reported that it’s largely college educated, higher income people are rejecting vaccinations.

          • Cypher says:

            Well said!

          • Sara Scott says:

            If you can figure out doctoring for yourself, why do you go to a doctor for anything ever? Here we go again with common sense Larry performing heart surgery. You don’t know more than the vast majority of doctors and scientists, sorry. Your claim that doctors profit off of vaccines is ridiculous. If you don’t believe a private doctor because they earn a living, why not ask a clinic where you can get care and vaccines for free? All of the medical professionals there will also tell you that the hysteria over vaccines is ridiculous. They don’t make any more money if they recommend vaccines, it is just the right thing to do! “First, do no harm.” If you believe that doctors really don’t uphold that oath, I ask you to never receive medical care in any instance ever again.

          • eggman2 says:

            Smarter MDs reject vaccinations for themselves and their family , but don’t care if the other wants them. It is the same as when they don’t want caesarean for their wives, but don’t care if the other guy wants it for his.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Oh please! Verification?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Ah, again, so only the ones that say what you want to hear, not the other 99% who are actually correct. Way to discern nothing!

          • AutismDadd says:

            So because a trend has begun like a grass roots movement, and numbers are small its worthless? Then the small number who initially worked on vaccines is lucky there weren’t a bunch of Sara’s around.

          • sabelmouse says:

            logic, SHE says :)

          • Sara Scott says:

            Oh, so you don’t think women can be logical, eh? Again, I’m the lawyer (passed the most difficult bar in the country, to boot) and you are the, what? Walmart employee?

          • AutismDadd says:

            Good Lord I wouldn’t hire you to fight a j-walk ticket

          • sabelmouse says:

            probs does paperwork on taxes or something.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Still wouldn’t

          • sabelmouse says:

            of course i think women can be logical. i am.
            your bragging doesn’t change the fact that you’ve shown neither logic, nor sense in these comments. just arrogance and snobbery. not unheard of in lawyers.
            if you do practice, and if you do have positive results they must be achieved with sheer badgering.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Grass roots movement to wipe out America with the plague! Super cool! I hope it just kills the anti-vaxxers.

          • AutismDadd says:

            The plague? Got a vaccine for that?

          • sabelmouse says:

            ;)

          • sabelmouse says:

            it’ll kill those with damaged immune systems first. the non-vaxxing profiteers will live. life ain’t fair.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Good advise. She’s coming unglued

          • Sara Scott says:

            *Advice.

          • eggman2 says:

            There are MDs ( Mad-Dupes) and MDs ( Medical Doctors). Intelligent people know that the ones that say that vaccines are safe and effective are mad-dupes. Even the ones that say that they are sometimes needed are mad-dupes. The real Medical Doctors are ostracized, mysteriously disappear , or are mysteriously killed.

          • sabelmouse says:

            you’d reject a brilliant surgeon with dyslexia? pretty stupid!

          • Sara Scott says:

            Your argument is stupid. I accept the advice of brilliant doctors with regard to vaccines AND surgery, whether they are dyslexic or not. I do NOT accept the advice of random people like hvaiallverden who have absolutely no medical degree or training.

          • sabelmouse says:

            then why bring up spelling,grammar, and such?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Doctors, who are generally smart people, can put together cogent sentences. So can others that have more than elementary school education. Again, I tend to believe highly educated doctors over some ranting fool, but you guys prefer the fool, so have fun with your mumps! Just stay away from my infant, thanks.

          • sabelmouse says:

            1. in my experience doctors aren’t always that smart albeit from privileged backgrounds , which tend to influence speaking patterns.
            2. if YOU can’t/won’t distinguish between what someone says and how they express themselves [ never mid the many reason for typos, misspellings, and so on online] then that is obviously something to do with your attitude.
            and reflects very badly on you as it makes you look either willfully ignorant, or plain stupid.

          • Cypher says:

            Its called “distraction”. She can’t produce a valid argument, so she goes after trivial pizzle like grammar and typos. Typical.

          • sabelmouse says:

            very!

          • Sara Scott says:

            LOL! Valid argument against what, exactly?! Tell me exactly what this sentence is supposed to say: “No matter how solid, no matter if its even writen in their own manuals to follow the product in question, no matter how flawed their “medical” science is becomed, infact so flawed its a nusance and I am not the only one, when even editores of medical jurnals sayes the same about the “science” behind it is.
            And so on.” That sentence says nothing except the person commenting thinks that science isn’t a real thing. How do you argue with someone that doesn’t believe in SCIENCE?! I have a million valid arguments as to why the hysteria about vaccines is absolutely ridiculous, but you all prefer to believe Wakefield and mommy blogs that claim their kid was “vaccine injured” or that vaccinated people shed viruses. Its like trying to argue with someone who truly believes the earth is flat because light bends up.

          • Cypher says:

            If you’re willing to engage in a civil discussion without resorting to insults, I’m willing. It would be interesting for me to understand your logic and how your arrive at your conclusions.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I am not the researcher who arrives at the conclusions. I am just not a nut that believes everything is a conspiracy. My grandmother and my stepfather’s mother both almost died of mumps at around age 35. Thousands upon thousands of people suffer with shingles every year because the chicken pox vaccine wasn’t around when they were young (or their dumb parents thought they were making the “better choice by not exposing my baby to toxins”). Vaccines prevent illness and death. That is just a fact that can be seen in any of those articles I posted. Are there some risks? Sure! A very very small percentage may be allergic and suffer an adverse reaction. That is the same with everything. Are airbags risky? Sure! Some people might break their neck or suffer injury, but it is a hell of a lot better than every single person who gets in an accident bashing their face on the steering wheel. Seat belts also carry risks, but you don’t not wear it because you could possibly end up by a body of water and somehow drive into it and be the one person that has the seat belt malfunction and not let you out and you die, when a seat belt is MUCH MUCH more likely to save your life. The potential for harm is GREATLY outweighed by the good. Do you not wear seat belts and cut the airbag out of your car because of the remote possibility you might be injured in some way? Do you cut out the passenger airbag and not allow any of your kids to use these devices because there is a small potential they could be harmed by them? You don’t use a car seat for babies, because car seats are not perfect and may result in some injury to your kid (my mom was telling me last night about how her coworker found out after a year or two that something in the car seat was poking baby when it sat down)?

          • Cypher says:

            “Sure! A very very small percentage may be allergic and suffer an adverse reaction….”

            And what are those adverse reactions?

            The story of your grandparents is anecdotal at best, so it doesn’t strengthen your argument. Furthermore, sorry to disappoint you but the largest historical decrease in morbidity and mortality caused by infectious disease was experienced not with the modern antibiotic and vaccine era, but after the introduction of clean water and effective sewer systems.

            Artificially injecting someone with a live or attenuated virus along with dangerous toxins is a feeble attempt to replicate what already exists in nature and has worked for over 200,000 years.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I’ve heard these ridiculous arguments time and time again. As one of the articles I posted states, you actually get more entrenched in your silly belief, the more actual facts I give you. You read off the tired anti-vaxxer script. I hope one day, we can put all of you on an island to kill one another off, like lepers.

          • Cypher says:

            I asked you a question before but I didn’t see your answer.

            Here it is again:

            You wrote:
            “Sure! A very very small percentage may be allergic and suffer an adverse reaction….”

            And what are those adverse reactions?
            “Very very small” is not quantifiable. Can you be more specific?

            And, I’m still waiting for you to post the actual Wakefield study.

            “Dudes on the internet demanding I do something is hilarious and sad….”

            What is sad is making claims that you cannot back up with evidence. My reasoning and my ask is not rocket science. Nobody can take you seriously if you haven’t even bothered to read the study. Where are those “lawyer skills”? Show your evidence. Until then you will continue to have 0 credibility here.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Post the study your damn self! Why do I need to post it for you? Can you not Google?

          • Cypher says:

            Wow! So emotional. So for the record, you cannot even back up your own claim?

            And what are those adverse reactions?
            “Very very small” is not quantifiable. Can you be more specific?

          • AutismDadd says:

            You know, that DUDE, the guy who did a vaccine study without giving or studying vaccines. The vaccine study that had no vaccine researchers involved. The vaccine study with a mere 12 subjects.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Your credibility just plummeted

          • Cypher says:

            She never had any.

          • sabelmouse says:

            how could it possibly?

          • AutismDadd says:

            To the depths of Hell….

          • sabelmouse says:

            ok, that way! :) though they may only be genuinely stupid.

          • AutismDadd says:

            What rot. Who wrote that Skeptical Raptor AKA Paul Offit?

          • AutismDadd says:

            So how long you be shilling?

          • Cypher says:

            Not long enough apparently. She’s not even any good t it. :-P

          • AutismDadd says:

            Seems a little green

          • sabelmouse says:

            to be fair, neither is mikey and he’s been at it since forever.

          • AutismDadd says:

            So you are well invested in conspiracy and conspiracy theory. Yet claim to be against them.

          • sabelmouse says:

            they both didn’t get it as children? very unusual in those days.

          • Sara Scott says:

            How would you no? You assume you know the age of these people. They are 83 and 85. The mumps vaccine didn’t come out until 1967. My mother was 7 by that year, let alone my grandmother. My grandmother was also pregnant with my aunt that year and it was the next year that she almost died from mumps. My stepfather’s mother had mumps before the vaccine came out. You could have saved yourself the embarrassment by doing a simple Google search.

          • sabelmouse says:

            exactly. everybody of my gen and older used to get these illnesses. very rare for them not to .
            of course pre vaccine.
            wow, you continue to amaze!

          • Sara Scott says:

            I assumed you were talking about the vaccination. Both of these women got mumps at the age of 35 and very nearly died. You continue to amaze me when you don’t understand that had they had the vaccine, and therefore did not have mumps, they wouldn’t have been in a life-threatening situation.

          • Cypher says:

            Why have you suddenly stopped answering my posts? Did you give up so easily?

          • Sara Scott says:

            I am awaiting your reply regarding seat belts. Why did you give up so easily? Again, this is like arguing with a box of rocks. As the studied phenomenon states, the more clear evidence I give you, the more you dig in your heels and refuse to look at it. It is pointless at this point. Enjoy your life. I know I will enjoy mine :D

          • Cypher says:

            Seatbelts?? Really? You people really need new talking points. You can’t switch subjects Sara.

            I hope you don’t have your infant in the car while you’re doing your little “speech to text” thingee.

            For our worldwide audience, let me attempt to bring you up to speed once again on the ramblings and abysmal arguments of Sara Scott:

            -Sara Scott called all doctors that are against mandatory chemical injections quacks but cannot provide any kind of verifiable evidence to that effect other than her opinion.

            -Sara Scott mentioned the “dude” that came out with the study linking vaccines to autism that was apparently discredited but refused to produce the actual study in question as her proof.

            -Sara Scott ranted that all the ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers were a threat to her infant, while at the same time being un-vaccinated for chickenpox (thus relying on the lifelong immunity that she received after contracting it as a child). Meanwhile she criticizes ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers for doing the same thing. < — That one still blows me away.

            -Sara Scott admits that the chances of dying from the chickenpox disease is *very low* and still
            doesn’t understand how she’s arguing against herself.

            -Sara Scott admitted that vaccines can cause adverse reactions but refused to provide any details whatsoever on what those adverse reactions are.

            Oh Sara, I’m still willing to listen to (read) any point you continue to struggle to make. I find it strangely entertaining. :-))

          • sabelmouse says:

            1. the mumps portion of the mmr now is certainly not doing very well with merck being sued over lying about it.
            2. there was never any need for it for those few people who didn’t get it as children. when it’s harmless.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Permanent deafness or death is “harmless?!” “Before there was a vaccine against mumps, the disease was common in the United States and caused complications, such as permanent deafness in children, and occasionally, encephalitis, which could result in death, although very rarely. Before the U.S. mumps vaccination program started in 1967, about 186,000 cases were reported each year, and many more unreported cases occurred. Since the pre-vaccine era, there has been a more than 99% decrease in mumps cases in the United States.” https://www.cdc.gov/mumps/hcp.html

          • sabelmouse says:

            omg!
            i’m off talking to a 5 year old about this, more sense to be had.
            good luck with your liaring.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I get it. A 5 year old will blindly agree with you because they don’t know any better. I guess if you feel like you’ve accomplished something by spreading your fear mongering to a 5 year old, good for you?

          • sabelmouse says:

            omg! maybe you really are in that profession.

          • AutismDadd says:

            CDC? Hilarious

          • Cypher says:

            You keep coming back to this ridiculous argument about someone almost
            dying because of the mumps and this other person didn’t get mumps
            “because they got the vaccine”. You willfully ignore these facts:

            -Mumps can still occur in a fully vaccinated population.
            -The fact that a vaccinated person doesn’t get mumps does not equal proof of effectiveness of the vaccine.
            -No
            one (almost) dies from mumps unless they have a chronic pre-existing
            condition. If you’re going to come back and say that this person was the
            epitome of health and still almost died because of mumps I’ll have to
            call you a liar.

            All of these are a combination of logic and well known facts that seem to escape you at every turn.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Why at 35? Sounds like a failed vaccine to me.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Sounds like you didn’t read, to me. As I stated above, one got it before the vaccine came out and one got it right after. She, for whatever reason, had not been vaccinated yet. They are in their 80s.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Even if I read, you don’t make much sense.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Let me explain it so your little pea brain can understand. The vaccine came out in 1967. My stepfather’s mother had the disease before 1967. A vaccine is completely ineffective before it even exists. My grandmother was pregnant the year the vaccine came out and the vaccine cannot be administered to pregnant women. She contracted mumps not long after giving birth.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Woo Hoo

          • Cypher says:

            “How would you no?”

            =

            How would you know. Look who’s the bad speller.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Voice to text while driving. Also, one issue with autocorrect out of hundreds and hundreds of words, does not make someone a “bad speller.”

          • Cypher says:

            Poor excuse.

          • AutismDadd says:

            So many almost died. Its like that in life. Bottom line, they DIDN’T die.

          • AutismDadd says:

            She appeals to authority. She thinks SHE is an authority. I just laughed and blew milk out my nose.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Chill pill recommended

          • Sara Scott says:

            I have many valid arguments, but you prefer the arguments you like. As I stated above, this is exactly like the flat earth thing. The rest of us sane people look at you anti-vaxxers like you believe the earth is flat (and I assume quite a few of you do, since you are gullible enough to believe that doctors make tons of money off vaccines and they only recommend them to make people patients for life). I will post some facts in response to you, but it is ridiculous for me to type them out. Links to articles coming your way!

          • Cypher says:

            Ok. Let’s approach this topic methodically, shall we? I’d like to limit this to a single thread, so I’ll ignore your other replies. Feel free to copy/paste them into this one.

            Let’s start with the basics. You replied to someone else by telling them to keep their mumps away from your infant [paraphrasing]. The obvious question is why should an unvaccinated child pose a threat to your vaccinated child (assuming your child is vaccinated)?

          • Sara Scott says:

            #3 If vaccines work then why do you care if my child is vaccinated?
            Anyone who uses this argument (which is almost every anti-vaccer I have ever talked to) has just demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don’t have the foggiest clue what they are talking about, because the answer comes from the most basic facts about vaccines.

            In brief, non-scientific terms, this is how the immune system works. A germ enters your body and an immune cell finds it, memorizes it, returns to the central command, and cells are generated specifically to combat that germ. All of this takes time, however, and often by the time that your immune system has the troops ready to go, the germ has already replicated and taken hold. At this point, it’s all out war and you are going to be sick for a while. What a vaccine does is teach your body to recognize the germ before you actually encounter it. Your body then keeps low levels of antibodies around that are specific for that germ. These act as a first line of defense. That way, when the germ is detected, it can be taken out before it becomes a problem. Here’s the catch though, your body doesn’t keep a full regiment on alert at all times. It only keeps low levels of the antibody circulating. So, for a normal exposure to a germ, a vaccinated person’s immune system can take care of it, but, if you get a large exposure, it can overwhelm that first line of defense and you still have a full blown war. This is one of the reasons why vaccines sometimes fail. To put it another way, if someone with H1N1 sneezes in your face, you’re probably going to get the flu even if you’re vaccinated.

            So, how does this relate to the original argument? Vaccines lead to herd immunity. When a large number of individuals are vaccinated, very few people get exposed to a large dose of the disease, and therefore very few people get it. When there are unvaccinated people around, however, you are much more likely to get a large dose of the disease and actually get sick. So even though I am vaccinated, my risk of getting the disease is higher than it would be if you were also vaccinated. Further, there are many elderly people and immunocompromised people who cannot receive vaccines, but are protected by herd immunity. Additionally, for various reasons vaccines don’t always take hold. In a very small number of cases (usually between 1 and 5% depending on the vaccine), the vaccine doesn’t work, leaving the person completely vulnerable. So by not vaccinating, you are putting all of those people at risk. In short, vaccines work and reduce disease even if you don’t vaccinate, but they work much more effectively when everyone is vaccinated.

          • Cypher says:

            When was your last mumps or chicken pox booster?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Why does it matter? Also, the chicken pox vaccine wasn’t around when I was little and I had the chicken pox. My husband is younger and got the vaccine. He never got chicken pox. I face the possibility of shingles later in life, where he really does not. If a booster of mumps is required and/or helpful, I will be at the doctor tomorrow to get it.

          • Cypher says:

            You do have a problem with answering simple questions, don’t you? Did you receive a booster or not?

          • AutismDadd says:

            Unfortunately it forces her to think which means train wreck ahead…

          • Cypher says:

            Yup. I’m expecting the insults to come flying again since she’s already backed into a corner.

          • Cypher says:

            I just re-read your statement:

            “the chicken pox vaccine wasn’t around when I was little and I had the chicken pox….”

            So let me see if I got this straight: You chastise ex-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers for not wanting to be injected with toxins because you’re trying to protect your infant. At the same time you’re not even vaccinated yourself for chickenpox?? I can’t even begin to understand your logic.

            Are you implying that you miraculously survived the chickenpox plague and now have lifelong immunity? How on earth is that possible without chemical injections??

            The fact that your husband got the CP vaccine and never got the chickenpox plague is 0 proof of its effectiveness. Correlation does not equal causation, as you vaxtremists love to point out. :-)))

          • AutismDadd says:

            Were you your husband’s baby sitter?

          • sabelmouse says:

            THAT was hilarious!

          • AutismDadd says:

            By the ranting I’d say she’s high on aluminum hydroxide

          • AutismDadd says:

            Sara be shilling

          • AutismDadd says:

            You claim to be a lawyer?

          • Sara Scott says:

            “But the anti-vaxxers are utterly wrong in their interpretation of what the numbers mean. And in fact, the numbers prove that vaccines are as safe as the medical community says they are.” http://time.com/3995062/vaccine-injury-court-truth/

          • AutismDadd says:

            Hilarious

          • Sara Scott says:

            Studies show that it is a damn waste of my time, even if I do present you with clear, unwavering, FACTS. “But if you’ve ever tried to argue in defense of immunization, you’ll probably be well aware that reminding anti-vaxxers of the evidence supporting their use is usually a redundant activity.

            In fact, not only has this approach shown to be ineffective, but studies have also demonstrated that providing information that attempts to undermine misbeliefs about the supposed dangers of vaccination can actually backfire and strengthen negative attitudes.”
            http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/simple-method-proves-effective-countering-anti-vaccination-attitudes/

          • Cypher says:

            Calm down. You’re so defensive. As I said, I’m just trying to understand your logic. Injecting a person with chemicals is not immunization. You came back with 3 replies to my one post. Perhaps you’re overcompensating for something. Take it easy. One subject at a time Seems like you’re all over the place.

          • Sara Scott says:

            You know that everything is a chemical, right? You would die if you did not ingest chemicals. H2O being the most important of those you need to ingest. You have your quiver full of stupid anti-vax arguments, but I have seen them all and none of them are effective.

          • Cypher says:

            More insults = weak argument. You’re only proving my point further. Arsenic exists in nature as well. If you inject it into someone you’d be charged with attempted murder.

          • Sara Scott says:

            I didn’t say “natural,” I am saying, literally EVERYTHING is chemicals. Nothing one “injects” is “natural,” whether it be insulin, vaccines, heroin, etc. If arsenic was injected into someone because it was the treatment or prevention for an illness, it is not attempted murder. Murder, specifically, requires intent.

          • Cypher says:

            Main thread please.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Why are you reading this trash? Its moronic, and quoting it reflects on you.

          • sabelmouse says:

            vaccination does not = immunisation.

          • Sara Scott says:

            My attitude is the reason the person posting can’t clearly communicate? Now, think about that and decide who is stupid.

          • sabelmouse says:

            i don’t think you think clearly enough to discern anything.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Are you breast feeding or do the EXPERTS who make formula tell you to use their product instead?

          • Sara Scott says:

            You are disgusting, misogynistic piece of crap. I’m done arguing with both of you. It’s like arguing with a box of rocks, except rocks are smarter. Have a great day!

          • AutismDadd says:

            I’m having a great day. Who is arguing? Some mothers get conned about baby formula. I figured you’d be one of them.

          • Cypher says:

            Nonstop insults are an indicator of a weak argument. If you’re really a lawyer you should know that.

            Isn’t your infant vaccinated? Don’t you trust your medieval chemical injections?

          • Sara Scott says:

            My infant is vaccinated against the things he can be at 3 months old. I asked why the MMR can’t be given earlier and it is not about risk to the baby, it is because it is not effective unless given at 1 year. Also, see earlier article regarding your silly argument. “#3 If vaccines work then why do you care if my child is vaccinated?
            Anyone who uses this argument (which is almost every anti-vaccer I have ever talked to) has just demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don’t have the foggiest clue what they are talking about, because the answer comes from the most basic facts about vaccines.

            In brief, non-scientific terms, this is how the immune system works. A germ enters your body and an immune cell finds it, memorizes it, returns to the central command, and cells are generated specifically to combat that germ. All of this takes time, however, and often by the time that your immune system has the troops ready to go, the germ has already replicated and taken hold. At this point, it’s all out war and you are going to be sick for a while. What a vaccine does is teach your body to recognize the germ before you actually encounter it. Your body then keeps low levels of antibodies around that are specific for that germ. These act as a first line of defense. That way, when the germ is detected, it can be taken out before it becomes a problem. Here’s the catch though, your body doesn’t keep a full regiment on alert at all times. It only keeps low levels of the antibody circulating. So, for a normal exposure to a germ, a vaccinated person’s immune system can take care of it, but, if you get a large exposure, it can overwhelm that first line of defense and you still have a full blown war. This is one of the reasons why vaccines sometimes fail. To put it another way, if someone with H1N1 sneezes in your face, you’re probably going to get the flu even if you’re vaccinated.

            So, how does this relate to the original argument? Vaccines lead to herd immunity. When a large number of individuals are vaccinated, very few people get exposed to a large dose of the disease, and therefore very few people get it. When there are unvaccinated people around, however, you are much more likely to get a large dose of the disease and actually get sick. So even though I am vaccinated, my risk of getting the disease is higher than it would be if you were also vaccinated. Further, there are many elderly people and immunocompromised people who cannot receive vaccines, but are protected by herd immunity. Additionally, for various reasons vaccines don’t always take hold. In a very small number of cases (usually between 1 and 5% depending on the vaccine), the vaccine doesn’t work, leaving the person completely vulnerable. So by not vaccinating, you are putting all of those people at risk. In short, vaccines work and reduce disease even if you don’t vaccinate, but they work much more effectively when everyone is vaccinated.”

          • Cypher says:

            When was your last chickenpox, mumps, rubella booster?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Because his/her spelling and grammar are a clear reflection of lack of education. Even a dyslexic surgeon can write coherent sentences. I have a lawyer friend with severe dyslexia and the worst is that she spells a few words wrong. She can still write coherent sentences that get her point across. This, on the other hand, is absolutely incomprehensible: “The facts are opositt, its the vaccine that infects people since its statisticaly, as the comlexety and widespreading of the vaccine witch if acording to their insane logic must have some of the “problems” the vaccine is supoused to be against. Capice”

          • sabelmouse says:

            what utter rubbish.

            i make lots of typos due to mobility issues.

            my spell checker is incompetent but often changes words unasked.
            i have memory issues/brain fog that means i don’t remember how to spell words from one moment to another.

            i an NO a native english speaker/writer and combined with those other things my writing often comes out muddled.

            when i am in a hurry, stressed, or emotional all those issues are amplefied.

            i do however also like to use dialects for funsies.

            smart phones have all sorts of issue and often distort text when used to comment, especially older types from what i’ve read.

            that person could have any of those issues .

            none of them have anything to do with either educational level, or knowledge on a particular subject.

            nor does what you’re looking for in a doctor/surgeon come into commenting on something online.

            leaving aside your clear lack of any thinking ability . or indications of a superior level of education.

            you’re either a snobbish troll, or using this to detract from the argument ,and /or disrupt the discussion.

            now this is all the time imma waste on you. /

          • AutismDadd says:

            More anecdote

          • AutismDadd says:

            Just being argumentative. Poor Sarah. Just think how she MUST badger her husband…

          • AutismDadd says:

            Then get off this forum and go see your psychiatrist.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Don’t have one. Believing actual facts is not a reason to seek the help of a mental help professional. And here we come back again to, you are totally cool with a psychiatrist and their medical education, but not a pediatrician? You realize they go through much of the same schooling, right? I’m not a litigator, but I went to law school and had to pass the bar, just like every other attorney. Same with pediatricians and psychiatrists and boards.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Find a psychiatrist quick. Get on something, anything that calms you.

          • Sara Scott says:

            Is that why your kid is autistic? Are you and your partner psychiatric drug users? Though you may want to share the misery, I am not interested.

          • AutismDadd says:

            I’ve known numerous doctors personally. Brilliant doesn’t describe them

          • AutismDadd says:

            Nice work showing you are a ranting fool.

          • Sara Scott says:

            So no actual argument, eh? Just, “But I wanna believe that vaccines caused my kids autism, even though it is not true, because I have to blame it on someone! I can’t possibly blame it on myself and the foods I feed him, or how he was treated in utero. NOPE! Only vaccines that were given to him so he doesn’t die from a preventable disease (which autism is NOT).” Dude, get over it already. I am epileptic and didn’t develop it until I was 23. It is idiopathic and so is about 50% of diagnosed epilepsy. It would be really cool to find the cause, but they haven’t yet, just like with Autism. It is NOT vaccines for either. Vaccinate your damn kids and shut up!

          • AutismDadd says:

            Tell me more about your suffering. Want cheese with your whine?

          • Sara Scott says:

            Not whining at all. Using it as an example. If I was whining, my screen name would say something like “epilepsygal” kinda like yours is “AutismDadd.”

          • AutismDadd says:

            Why not just put it out there?

          • sabelmouse says:

            oh, you’re one of those chronically ill people determined not to face who did this to you.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Sarah The Queen of Denial Probably dances like an Egyptian

      • VeganKeyLimePie says:

        I’m a proofreader and editor and I strongly oppose vaccines based on objective information. Sooooo……… Btw, I’ll be you haven’t received 60 or so vaccine doses like the kids of today do from birth to 18 or so, about 50 of them from birth to age 6. Oh, but that’s progress you’ll say, along with the skyrocketing cases of autism and other life-altering conditions and the 1986 Act that made vaccine damage payouts the burden of those who, under coercion and duress, pay for vaccines (taxes) as opposed to the makers/pushers of the stuff.

        • Sara Scott says:

          A proofreader you say?! Well shit, had I known! I mean, proofreaders are even more medically knowledgeable than Larry, my neighbor. I guess you can just proofread the instructions for how to do heart surgery at home and I should be good to go, right? No doctor with extensive medical knowledge needed when there is a proofreader in the house! Oh shit, I forgot, you are also an editor. Do you think you could edit out my grandfather’s cancer, or will I have to go see common sense Larry for that? You people!

          • KeyLimeVegan says:

            Sara: What are you, nuts? You’re the one who brought up proper spelling and grammar as some sort of proof of credibility, you pharmaceutical-addled shill. I’m pretty sure we all have loved ones with dreadful conditions, you’re no special snowflake. And medical intervention often does far more harm than good. They’re not in the business of healthy people, they need us sick but “maintained” as patients for life. Also, I love how you ignored what else I said and just blathered your personal attack…that shows how much the truth bothered you. Run along now, hotshot, take all your meds and calm down.

          • Sara Scott says:

            LOL! LOL! LOL! You seem obsessed with medication, especially medication that I do not take. When someone is smarter than you, it does not mean they are on pharmaceuticals. If you want to be more intelligent, you are welcome to go to school. I think medical school would be fun for you. You could learn about the ridiculousness of your position.

          • KeyLimeVegan says:

            Found this pic of Sara, explains everything: http://trending.report/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/feature21.jpg

          • Sara Scott says:

            So mature! Explains everything about you, too, sweetie.

      • Ger Reddy says:

        so typical of people who want to attack those with a message they don’t like.

        • Sara Scott says:

          Typical what? I attacked it because it is factually WRONG. Doesn’t matter whether I like it or not! I got my flu shot yesterday and it hurts still. I don’t LIKE it, but it is far better than passing the flu onto my 3 month old baby or my friend’s two-week old baby. So what is your qualification, Ger Reddy? I have an editor that is going to edit out cancer and common sense Larry who does leg amputations. Can I guess? I’m going to say a SAHM who performs organ transplants in her living room, right?

      • JJKA13 says:

        I highly doubt that English is hvaiallverden’s first language. I’m sure your are perfectly proficient in many languages – yes?

      • sabelmouse says:

        i have zero respect for anybody who uses such things as argument. especially if/when they have nowt else to say.

        • AutismDadd says:

          You’re a good German person

        • Sara Scott says:

          I don’t know what a “nowt else” is, but I assume you mean “nothing else?” Or did you mean “newt else,” or maybe “new t else?” See why being able to clearly get your point across with proper spelling and grammar is important? “Grammatical errors come in many forms and all can easily confuse and obscure meaning. Some common errors are with sentence structure, subject/verb tense, punctuation, spelling, and other basic mechanics and parts of speech. Even something as simple as a misplaced comma can completely change the meaning of a sentence. For example: “Let’s eat grandpa” vs. “Let’s eat, grandpa.”” http://ask.dailygrammar.com/Why-is-grammar-important.html

          • sabelmouse says:

            not up on regional dialects then?
            none of this has anything to do with surgical ability, nor with commenting online while understanding the subject.
            meanwhile YOU have said nothing of note pertaining to the actual subject of the discussion.

          • Sara Scott says:

            That is your opinion, though one that is incorrect.

      • AutismDadd says:

        Real classy Sara. Its obvious the person has an issue, maybe autistic. He or she did their best. And your best is to be petty.

        • Sara Scott says:

          So “Its like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.” is just something autistic people say? I’m going with crazy. I used to screen calls for people who wanted to sue doctors and drug makers medical malpractice and defective drugs (they were looking for representation). Half of them were straight up crazy, like this dude. One of them told me he wanted to sue the government because they were using lasers in San Francisco to force Filipino women to have sex with men against their will. Seriously, lasers and only Filipino women. I guess I should have taken his case because he tried his best? I know you don’t like that I care more about facts than the opinion of people with a google degree, but that is just how it is. Move on!

      • eggman2 says:

        With all the bad spelling, he makes more sense than you with your MDs ( Mad-Dupes). Some undesirable members of this society are contributing to natural selection by loving stupid inventions like vaccines. They are shortening their life span with vaccines.

        • Sara Scott says:

          Show me how vaccines are just killing off people via natural selection. I’d be interested in that article and study by a reputable source. You have to ask yourself, are doctors killing people off or making them patients for life? It can’t be both, but you anti-vaxxers seem to argue both at the same time. Do you get that those are competing interests?

      • AutismDadd says:

        Garbage from containing=/=BS

        • NOTUSINGMYUSUAL says:

          Vaccines, dont, cause, autism. Autism happens when your born m8. You dont develop autism after birth, you get diagnosed. Your BORN WITH IT. Kids get vaccinated. Parents get scared because of superstition. They check alot more than before if their child has autism. More likely to spot if the child does have autism. The reason kids are found to “develop” autism after vaccines is because people only decide to check then. Please explain to me how a vaccine that effects the IMMUNE system affects brain development.

          You’ll only here stories of parents claiming their kids got autsim from vaccines because they are a minority and that makes for a nice news story, you wont hear about the thousands of parents who are like, my kids fine, no measals or autism.

          You cant spot autism in a newborn too. So of course you won’t know they have autism till they’re older. And that leads to the misinformation that you can develop autism. ALL BABIES ACT DUMB AND SILLY. autism or not. you wont spot autism at young ages.

          side note: i am so confused i have no idea whos doing what.
          Sara is a grammer nazi? autismdadd thinks vaccines give autism? w0t

  2. hoyeru says:

    stop with the scare BS, I got autism, and it’s hereditary, nothing to do with vaccines.
    what should hppen is people with autism should NOT be allowed to have children. problem solved.

    • Johnson J says:

      Troll Alert!!!
      You must work for the drug companies!!!

    • BHill says:

      And thats why the Warning is right on the Label! Shill
      Merck Killed more people with Vioxx than the Vietcong and says we can trust our childrens lives to them, still!!. Medical Malpractice is the 3rd leading killer in the USA.
      Thermerosol (Mercury laden neurotoxin), Aluminum, Aborted fetal tissue, Dog kidneys, Monkey kidneys doesnt cure anything. J EWs LIE!!!!
      Spain is suing Baxter health for the killing of their daughters with HPV.
      The Father of so called ADHD is a Russian J EW, named Leon Eisenberg-who confessed later it was all fictitious and yet 1 million children are made zombies because of it..!
      Research the Dr. Semmelweis effect.
      He was a doctor that found a correlation between doctors spreading disease by making rounds and not washing their hands. He was laughed at and mocked by his contemporaries.
      His friend admitted him to a mental hospital where he was killed 1 week later.
      Turns out he was dead right.

        • Informed Consent says:

          For those who did not check the link, the Daily Mail article had nothing to do with autism. It is about research on anxiety disorders by Fox et al. showing that about 35 per cent of variation in
          anxiety-like tendencies can be explained by family history. That’s all.

        • Jennie H Spooner says:

          no one has autism in my family …ever …..and my grand son has it ..he was developmentally AHEAD of himself ..until vaccinations …we saw the difference right away….do they pay you to say this shit ?

        • Lilly Luna says:

          NOT hereditary….genetic…these autistic children are not descending from lines of autistic people. The epidemic of autism is recent. Even though there is a genetic component, i.e. parents of autistic children tend to have other autistic children… This media barrage is a smokescreen for an industry that does not want us to look too deeply into the incredibly toxic soup that they are putting in our bodies…monkey viruses, chicken embryos, aborted fetal cells, thimerosal, aluminum, adjuvants and antigens with package inserts that are a long as your arm of possible harm!
          The media who makes their bread and butter selling us the very products that the same manufacturers of vaccines market every twenty minutes on pay TV, in newspapers, magazines and on the radio are NOT going to tell you that the people who pay them dearly to sell you things are hurting you. Use your brains people! The media is not there to inform you! They are there to control the narrative! When the CDC holds fifty patents on vaccines, many of which they insist belong in the childhood vaccine schedule and when they make billions of dollars a year on those patents…you can no longer say that they are arbiters of truth. When the US government makes the US tax payer pay for vaccine damage instead of vaccine manufacturers via the National Vaccine Injury Panel…you can no longer say that they are arbiters of truth. When members of the FDA move into positions of power in the very industry they had been in the FDA to regulate for huge sums of money, without so much as a blink of a regulatory eye….you can no longer say at they are arbiters of truth. So why are you so eager to believe the very people who are profiteering on you?

        • AutismDadd says:

          Beg Pardon? Daily Mail is NOT a medical journal. Is it not owned by the Murdoch’s ?

      • Margaret MacGregor says:

        I’m sorry, but what it THERMEROSOL? If you mean THIMERASOL it hasn’t been in vaccines for a good 15 years.

        • Suki49 says:

          Mercury In Vaccines – VaxChoice VT
          http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/mercury-in-vaccines

          Mercury in Vaccines FAQs – NVIC
          http://www.nvic.org/faqs/mercury-thimerosal.aspx

          Thimerosal-free vaccines not mercury free – Green Health Watch
          http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/…/mercury-still-in-vaccines.html

        • Carla Austin Sanders says:

          Thimerosal is spelled T H I M E R O S A L. See how easy it is to misspell a word? Further, you are incorrect. The link I am providing in this post is to the US Food and Drug Administration.
          https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
          Thimerosal is very much included in a variety of vaccines approved by the CDC. OB/GYNs are forcing flu vaccines containing Thimerosal on pregnant women. Ethyl mercury is received into the developing brain and other organs of the fetus via the placenta. Post-birth Pediatricians are giving Thimerosal laced flu vaccines to babies prior to 6 months of age. Every single package insert states these flu vaccines should not be administered to children under 6 months of age. Further, they also urge caution in exposing pregnant women to Thimerosal, as stated on the Material Safety Data Sheet for Thimerosal.
          https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/04p0349/04p-0349-psa0001-05-AppendixC_b.pdf
          And yet, the CDC, while blatantly lying about removal of Thimerosal from vaccines, recommends Thimerosal be injected into all pregnant women and babies via flu vaccines. My daughter was threatened by her doctor to be “fired” as a patient unless she accepted the shot. We weren’t told of the risks. We had no idea Thimerosal was in shot, because we took the CDC at their word when they said they’d removed the mercury from vaccines. The only question we were asked was the standard, “You’re not allergic to eggs are you?”
          I know because it happened to my daughter and her daughter. Now my beautiful granddaughter has autism.

          • Margaret MacGregor says:

            I apologize for the misspelling. However, the brain differences in autism start very early in pregnancy. It’s VERY easy to miss early, subtle signs that something is wrong. I’m sorry your granddaughter has autism, but vaccines had absolutely nothing to do with it. There have been been studies and studies and studies … and not one has pulled up ANY link between the two. And yes, my daughter is autistic, too.

          • Carla Austin Sanders says:

            Because not one study has used a control group. My granddaughter’s father was also vaccine injured. His grandfather is a practicing physician who kept pristine records thus they were able to win their case in court. It was the live portion of the Pertussis vaccine that nearly killed him. Within hours of receiving the vaccine he went into seizures, and could not breath. It left him encephalitic. He experienced seizures and poor health for many years following the vaccine. His parents were told he would be infantile for the rest of his life. Luckily, and with much therapy he was removed from ASD status. To this day he has debilitating migraines, asthma and digestive problems. His younger sister did not receive the vaccine and is very healthy without any sign of atypical neurological disorders. His daughter, my granddaughter should never have been exposed to the DTaP vaccine, yet her pediatrician deemed it safe in spite of her father’s history. She immediately became very sick. Prior to that vaccine she was a normally developing baby. Believe it or not, there are babies who are more vulnerable. That’s why the puzzle piece is used as the symbol for ASD. Perhaps in your child’s case complications for her arose invitro. However, and again, it is so simple to look back on family history to help determine vulnerabilities for our children. Please don’t mistakenly presume to be the authority on vaccines for all children.

          • Margaret MacGregor says:

            Very glad he was removed from ASD status. I do believe a lot of parents blame vaccines when they missed early signs. However, in your case, that doesn’t appear to be so. I do believe IN SOME CASES vaccines cause autism. I’ve also seen complete recoveries with a gluten free diet, but again, diet isn’t the cause in every case, either. I believe the tendency is there before birth, but it needs a trigger, and the triggers can be many and varied!

          • Carla Austin Sanders says:

            That’s kind of a no brainer, Margaret. It’s the same with cigarettes. Some smoke for a lifetime and never get cancer. Some do. Those triggers you mention are of vital importance but that doesn’t mean smoking doesn’t cause cancer. You can’t have it both ways.

    • Margaret M. Saindon says:

      Autism is not hereditary. “scientists have found that children with autistic disorder have antibodies against human DNA in their blood that non-autistic children do not have. Scientists have also found that autistic children have hundreds of excess rare, de novo mutations. De novo means NOT INHERITED from parents.” There is more good information at sites that are not controlled by Big Pharma. http://www.soundchoice.org is one.

      • MrsRealism says:

        What on earth makes you believe these sites are truthful? SMH

        • Suki49 says:

          They are truthful because they are not backed by HUGE MONEY, and dare to tell the truth while under attack by HUGE MONEY.

          • MrsRealism says:

            Don’t be ridiculous. This site is full of ads. They’re making tons of money.

          • Suki49 says:

            Fraction of a penny, compared to the trillions taken in by the pharmaceutical houses and their interrelated industries (including those phony “charities,” where people DONATE money so they may bike, run, and walk their asses off, “for the cure” of diseases that these industries are creating in the first place, putting yet more millions into the kitty, with even just one event. And this site what is reported by doctors, scientists, and literature, AND the package inserts to the vaccines, that do not have any ads.

          • MrsRealism says:

            That’s a whole lot of alternative facts there! You are out of your mind, but that can be easily remedied by your willingness to look outside of the paranoid conspiracy theory internet and do some actual research. Have you ever heard of oppositional research? Google your basic premise and look at the sites that disagree with you, then do some comparisons.

    • Jennie H Spooner says:

      you got autism because of vaccinations and so did the person who had you ….there is no autism in my family and my grand son has it ..

    • Margaret MacGregor says:

      There’s NO autism in my family as far as I know, yet my daughter is autistic. Explain that. Actually, I think it has to do with my husband’s age when she was conceived.

    • AutismDadd says:

      WRONG. You were born with. Regressive autism is caused by mainstream medicine and the label should be Vaccine Spectrum Disorder, not autism.

    • AutismDadd says:

      Lets have your evidence

  3. SAY NO TO VACCINES says:

    Vaccines are very dangerous.
    Time for a “CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT” against everyone involved with this money making scam.

  4. MrsRealism says:

    What a bunch of crap. It says this on page 111: Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to
    establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
    In other words, kids get sick and die all the time. Vaccines are not a all proven to increase the risk,

  5. Bruce says:

    Questions end in question marks, not exclamation points. Also, you fine discerning folks might be stupid. Heads up.

  6. Margaret MacGregor says:

    A lot of people reported autism as side effect of the MMR. That has thoroughly debunked.

  7. Suki49 says:

    I went to the FDA site provided through the link, and it appears they have removed “autism” from the lineup of adverse effects.

  8. Simple. It’s not. It’s listed as an adverse event.

    • Suki49 says:

      And, just like psychobabble, it is all medical mafia babble. #3 is particularly, and deliberately, vague, like a shell game. I know without a shadow of a doubt that autism is most often caused by vaccines. So listing it as “not always clear whether the drug has caused the event,” is purposely misleading, particularly in light of the documents turned over to Congressman Posey, showing the CDC covered up information showing vaccinations cause autism.

      • Then you’ll need to explain the entire rest of the world and why there is no difference in rates.

        Since you know without a shadow of doubt, please provide the evidence. I trust it is on some basis more robust than a Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.

        • Suki49 says:

          No difference in rates? Rates of what, as compared to what? That’s just as vague as the definitions provided. Aside from the fact many observant parents (it doesn’t take an above the normal amount of awareness, just the ability to overcome the brainwashing and trust their own eyes and ears, and minds) have taken note of a fully developing, interactive baby, and then notice an immediate difference after the shots, starting with the high pitched screaming, then the lapsing into near coma, followed by the child regressing and “not being there anymore, followed by being diagnosed with autism,” just look up Congressman Posey. Thanks for all the entertaining fancy words, though. I encounter them often when people are saying nothing, but are trying to make an impression.

          • These are basic terms, Suki49. You can’t both be smarter than the global scientific and medical consensus and not understand them.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg

            How do you explain the rest of the world? How did you establish the accuracy of parental recall? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            And why is that when I ask you to provide me evidence and be sure, it’s more robust than after=because, your evidence is after=/= because.

            Try again and demonstrate the causative link this time since you are making two claims:

            1)Autism happened after the vaccination (Which I’ll take as arguendo for the moment but you should really read the Cedillo and Hooker cases.)
            2)Autism happened because of the vaccination. (still waiting for evidence)

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/409e8cee1ef729c545ede8de5dc1c1c714df7e997726183d93bfb35cf71c2d54.jpg

            1 is helpful but not sufficient to prove 2.

          • Suki49 says:

            And JUST GUESS where those conclusions came from! The foxes who guard the henhouses, telling us they have no idea where the chickens went.

            If you are really interested in knowing the truth, listen to the doctors and scientists who have separated themselves from the money machine, because they are not only smart enough to see what is really going on, they have the courage to speak out in the face of being punished in various ways, by the medical mafia system, which is the most profitable industry in existence (and now enmeshed with other large industries, including agribusiness, petrochemical and biomedical “research”). This evil has been growing itself into massive power since Rockefeller began “gifting” medical schools with strings attached, and embarked on shutting down all paths of medicine that did not include his chemical products.

            If you are NOT among the willfully ignorant, then you must be part of the machine. And I am aware those paid plants are in the mix, too.

          • Suki49 says:

            Oh, you’ll always have an answer, I’m sure, knowing that domination of information sources has become almost a complete coup by those in power, and they’re still striving for absolute censorship of the truth) despite the fact that Congressman Posey (bless HIS brave heart, and I do hope he survives) has the documents showing the CDC covered up the vaccine/autism link. And the fact that people have sued for autism caused to their children, and they had such strong documentation that the Vaccine Injury Compensation Act program paid out on those cases, but continued to deny it was autism.

            And the money to pay for those damages did not come from those who are being sued, because they arranged a sweet deal, with their wealth and power, with an equally corrupt government, in 1986. They took away due process, jury trials, established their own “vaccine court,” and then if they deign to pay out, it does NOT EVER come out of their own pockets. NOW, the TAX PAYERS pay for any damages that the government (pharmaceutical, illegal) “vaccine court” agrees to pay off, while the big pharma houses laugh all the way to the bank.

          • shay simmons says:

            despite the fact that Congressman Posey (bless HIS brave heart, and I do hope he survives) has the documents showing the CDC covered up the vaccine/autism link.

            And has done nothing with those documents for two and a half years. Two pro-vaxx bloggers requested them from Posey and put them out on the internet for anyone to access, something that no anti-vaxx crusader could be bothered to do — probably because those documents prove (in the words of Alice B Toklas) “There’s no there there.

            https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/06/if-you-want-to-read-the-william-thompson-documents-heres-the-link/

          • Suki49 says:

            You know as well as I do that the majority of politicians are like the majority of the population (only, “on steroids” on the greed part) – brainwashed, apathetic, focused on their own advancement, comfortably numb people, lacking in compassion for others.

            It is not Congressman Posey’s fault that he can’t get most of the self-centered other politicians to do anything. I find it interesting that when I worked in city government, the vast majority of the council members were corrupt. Only once in awhile, a maverick would arrive and challenge their corruption, and by some sudden burst of higher consciousness on the part of the voters, get voted in. But always being outnumbered, only managed to be a thorn in the corrupt members’ side, for awhile.

            So, what I have learned from working in two city governments, being an activist on more than one issue, writing to “higher” government agencies, seeing how they are 98% corrupt, I know that this world is run by snakes in the grass. I will only conclude that I do hope I have a front row seat on your judgement day.

          • shay simmons says:

            It is not Congressman Posey’s fault that he can’t get most of the self-centered other politicians to do anything.

            Not that he’s tried very hard.

          • Suki49 says:

            You have no idea how hard he has tried. I DO KNOW, from working in two city governments, (and how hard I tried) what the breakdown is: There are those who seek to be in power and get rich- be the elite. Those are the politicians, and others who campaign to get other government posts, who want prominent positions in city hall or county supervisors, etc. I do believe I explained this before, but will explain it again. Only once in a GREAT WHILE, will a maverick come into the mix – that rare individual who stands up to the corruption and tries to make a difference. But for the most part, those who seek power, seek links with other power sources, and there is no more powerful industry in the world today than the pharmaceutical houses and their links with other industries and the government. They have been growing their power over the last century, and I have followed the growth of the industry and the the coalition.

            But I am sure you know that already.

          • shay simmons says:

            What has he done, exactly?

          • Suki49 says:

            Congressman Posey Relentlessly Trying to Get Investigation …
            http://www.realfarmacy.com/posey-vaccine-autism

          • shay simmons says:

            The reference is two and a half years old (and full of misinformation). What has Posey done since then?

            Besides tell his staff to turn over the Thompson documents to Dorit Reiss and Matt Carey, who put them out on the Internet for anyone to access.

          • Suki49 says:

            The fact that you are so familiar with Dorit Reiss ( “Not Paid To Post?” Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, UC Hastings …) and Matt Carey ( Alison Singer Hand Picked Matt Carey For IACC, Embellished …) tells me you are not just some parent, interested in protecting your children.

            When I first heard (over 3 decades ago) about vaccines causing a lot of leukemia, from a medical source, wondered why I had never seen that information, or anything negative about vaccinations, in the media, or anywhere else. It was important enough that everyone should know it. So, it was very suspicious to me. That is when I hustled over to the medical libraries and embarked on some intensive research. A Pandora’s box of hidden information opened up.

            And, as far as “putting (the Thompson documents) out on the Internet for anyone to access, it was certainly done with a spin, and an attempt to discredit those documents. Trying to act as “interpreters,” as if people can’t be trusted to read and believe their own eyes.

          • shay simmons says:

            You didn’t answer the question.

          • Suki49 says:

            It’s a ridiculous and, most of all, deflecting question. I don’t work in Posey’s office. His every move over time is not going to be reported. The fact that it gets reported at all is a small miracle, in the atmosphere of increasing suppression of material that exposes the corruption of those who are in power.

            A better question, that I have for you, is: What is all this”misinformation” that the documents are full of that you can provide proof is misinformation? And please don’t give me statements from Dorit Reiss, or any of the other foxes guarding the Fort Knox hen houses.

          • shay simmons says:

            You were perfectly ready to answer it until you realized that you were wrong.

          • Suki49 says:

            Typical shill response. Ignore the facts, and just keep needling, with your little one liners

          • shay simmons says:

            Typical anti science steeple response; doesn’t check her sources, merely parrots what she’s been spoon-fed.

            Original question, still unanswered: What has Posey done recently?

          • Umm…apros of nothing to this discussion but…I am working on another blog post. (Which to be perfectly honest, it’s mostly just me complaining about a vaccine injury story) and I could do with a tiny bit of help.

            Namely, does anyone have that meme where the doctor’s saying something to the effect of ‘Explain to me again, if you know more than me…why do you keep coming here?”

          • shay simmons says:

            Alas, I am sitting in a conference center on the Indiana state line, far from home and the PC where I save all my memes (another Red Cross training weekend). Good hunting.

          • Suki49 says:

            This is what the shills do. Sit with their pharma scripts in front of them, sending their opposition on a scramble to hunt down the latest information for them, knowing there isn’t going to be a blow by blow daily, or even monthly, description of what is going on, provided in the media. It is a distraction from the facts, and you know it.

            Tell you what. YOU can find out, if you are really interested, by going to Posey’s government website. There is even a place there to ask questions. Then you can report back to me, for a change. I am not going to do anymore of the grunt work in response to your off-point “questions.”

          • shay simmons says:

            This is what the anti-science sheeple do. Sit regurgitating the easily-disproven pap from their handlers and then whine when they get shown up.

            You claim Posey is working tirelessly to uncover DA TROOF and may even be in danger of his life from Big Bad Pharma. Prove it.

            Oh, wait…you can’t.

          • Suki49 says:

            Did I say he was in danger for his life? Uh…no.

            If you REALLY want to know, you can go to the website, look it up, or ask.

            Oh, wait… you won’t.

          • shay simmons says:

            It’s your (completely unsupported) claim. Which you will continue to make because you are ignorant and easily deluded.

          • Suki49 says:

            Again, cherry picking and refusing to follow through. Insisting on the latest blow by blow report on what Congressman Posey is doing right this minute, you refuse to do the work yourself, and decided to zero in on that and ignore the second part to the post, which was this:
            CDC SPIDER is the Biggest Medical Whistleblower Event in …
            globalfreedommovement.org/t……

          • shay simmons says:

            Again, dodging the fact that you can’t prove Posey has done anything in two and a half years and trying to change the subject.

            BTW, your link leads to an online t-shirt offer.

          • shay simmons says:

            Did I say he was in danger for his life? Uh…no.

            Well, well, well. Turns out you did hint at it.

            (bless HIS brave heart, and I do hope he survives), posted at http://disq.us/p/1h0873h

          • Mike Stevens says:

            Which vaccines cause “a lot of leukaemia”, suki?

          • Suki49 says:

            The first one I read was actually a statement that smallpox vaccination causes “an explosion of leukemia,” by Dr B. Duperrat of the Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris, writing in the French medical journal Presse Medicale, march 12, 1955.

            There have been a lot since, and I will post just a few more, and I’m telling you now that I am really done with all of you shills. One would think you’d be interested in the information, but you are only interested in covering it up, poking sticks at anyone who tries to get the truth out. If you vaccinate your own children, you are terribly stupid, but something tells me that you don’t.

            “The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination.” – Dr. Robert Bell; V. President International Society for Cancer Research, British Cancer Hospital.

            “The third case was a 5-year-old boy with chronic lymphocytic leukemia, whom I happened to see in August of 1978, while visiting an old friend and teacher, a family physician with over 40 years’ experience. Well out of earshot of the boy and his parents, he told me that the leukemia had first appeared following a DPT vaccination, that he had treated the child successfully with natural remedies on two previous occasions, when the blood picture improved dramatically, and the liver and spleen shrank down to almost normal size, but that full relapse had occurred soon after each DPT booster.” -Richard Moskowitz, M.D.

            Says noted cancer researcher Dennis Turnbell, M.D.:

            “I have no hesitation in stating that in my judgment the most frequent disposing condition for cancerous development is infused into the blood by vaccination and re-vaccination.”

            From the Express, By CAROLINE WHEELER

            Jun 7, 2015

            “Rebecca Kerr, who died of a rare form of leukaemia in January 2011, is one of the teenagers whose parents believe she died as a result of the HPV vaccine.

            It prevents infection by the sexually transmitted human papilloma virus which is behind the majority of cervical cancer cases.

            Last night her father David, 53, a gas engineer from Essex, said his daughter became unwell within weeks of receiving the second dose of the vaccine just before her 13th birthday.

            The teenager, who was studying for her GCSEs at Francis Bardsley School for Girls in Romford, died of lymphoblastic lymphoma a year later.

            Mr Kerr said: “It was rare that she ever got poorly and yet she got ill so quickly after having the vaccine. There is no doubt in our minds that there is a link, although the doctors maintain they do not know why children get leukaemia.”
            * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
            “Before 1920, acute leukemia among children was a rare event. A significant peak-age incidence (2-5 years) appeared after 1940. Since then, the incidence rate of childhood leukemia has been more or less remarkably stable. This means that some leukemogenic factor must have been introduced in children’s lives some time around 1940.”

            “It is a highly striking coincidence that at the same year the introduction of immunization against diphtheria was began on a national scale.”

            — Petar I. Ivanovski, pediatrician

            University Childrens Hospital, Belgrade

            “I draw attention to a letter entitled ‘Immunization and Childhood Leukaemia’ in which it was shown that Leukaemia in children in Brisbane Children’s Hospital from 1958 to 1964 showed a significant statistical association with immunization against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough.”

            In view of Dr Ivanovski’s observations that the incidence of childhood leukaemia increased with the introduction of DPT vaccination it is virtually certain that, if investigated, they will find the group with Leukaemia also shows a statistically significant increase in vaccination with DPT vaccine.”

            — Michael Innis, Director Medisets International

          • Mike Stevens says:

            A lot of old anecdotes…
            I don’t dismiss them out of hand; anecdotes may be the first indication of a real problem. But in this case, people have studied vaccines exhaustively, and not discovered any link to leukaemia (or cancer), other than some vaccines prevent cancer, of course.

            But to look at a few of your quotes:
            ““The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer
            has been vaccination.” – Dr. Robert Bell; V. President International
            Society for Cancer Research, British Cancer Hospital.”

            I work in the UK.
            There is no such hospital as the “British Cancer Hospital”, to start with, and there is no “International Society for Cancer Research” either. …Oooops!

            “…Says noted cancer researcher Dennis Turnbell, M.D”
            How odd… A “noted cancer researcher” who hasn’t done any cancer research….
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=(%22Dennis+Turnbell%22%5BAuthor+-+Full%5D)+AND+cancer%5BTitle%2FAbstract%5D
            (PS – “Turnbull” receives zero hits too, so it isnt just a typo…)

            This isn’t looking promising so far, Suki.

            “it is virtually certain that, if investigated, they will find the group with Leukaemia also shows a statistically significant increase in vaccination with DPT vaccine.”
            – Dr Micael Innis.

            You mean Michael Innis, the antivaccine kook, who thinks infanticide and battered babies have been killed by vaccines, and not blunt force trauma?
            (PS: They have investigated, and found no increase in leukaemia)

            Oh dear, not looking good at all, Suki.

          • shay simmons says:

            Failure to check sources again…a recurring problem with Suki.

          • shay simmons says:

            The first one I read was actually a statement that smallpox vaccination causes “an explosion of leukemia,” by Dr B. Duperrat of the Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris, writing in the French medical journal Presse Medicale, march 12, 1955.

            Which quote appears only as a secondary cite in a number of books and websites of dubious reliability. Going to Elsevier and looking for the actual article resulted in the following –

            “No results were found
            Your search was:
            AUTHORS(Duperrat) AND SRCTITLEPLUS(Presse medicale)
            Edit your search text above and try again.
            or
            To run a more precise search, use one of the full featured search forms.
            Review the search tips for Quick Search for more information.”

          • Suki49 says:

            How interesting you should conveniently IGNORE all the rest, and focus on that one, which is the oldest. The only thing “dubious” about the books and websites sharing this information is that they don’t concur with what you are trying to put across. Again, a trip around the mulberry bush, cherry picking that which you find will be most difficult to track down, and avoiding the others.

          • shay simmons says:

            Mike Stevens already debunked the rest of your claims. How interesting that you should conveniently IGNORE that.

            http://disq.us/p/1haaok3

          • Suki49 says:

            Actually, no, he didn’t. I never saw him “debunk” Dr. Moskowitz,, Dr. Bell, or any of the others posted. Maybe you could get off your duff and try to do that, providing proof, of course.

          • shay simmons says:

            Reading comprehension fail, Suki. Dr Bell doesn’t exist, nor does his hospital,nor does his organization. No research by “noted researcher” Dennis Turnbell is listed in Pubmed. Innes thinks vitamin C deficiency causes shaken baby syndrome and appears to have published only on whale.to.

            And maybe you should actually read Ivanovski’s paper? Med Hypotheses. 2007;68(2):324-7. Epub 2006 Sep 26.

          • Suki49 says:

            Yes, Dr. Bell and Dr. Turnbull did exist. Roughly 100-125 years ago, but most certainly they were referenced in many vaccination books at that time, and into the mid-20th century, including “The Golden Calf” (circa 1933) “The Poisoned Needle” (circa 1957), both now online. Here is a link regarding Dr. Bell, and you are both pompous and lazy (and revealing your agenda) to have the audacity to claim that he never existed, nor did his hospital or organization.

            DR. ROBERT BELL AND CANCER. – The Spectator Archive
            archive.spectator.co.uk/…/11/dr-robert-bell-and-cancer

            I did look up Ivanovski’s paper for which you provided the link, and it confirms he was finding leukemia connected to vaccination. Maybe YOU should read it.

            Ivanovski P, Alqam M, Ivanovski I. Case-control studies compare “apples and pears”: Proposal for a retrospective cohort study in the USA of vaccination history in relation to subsequent childhood leukemia. Med Hypotheses. 2008 Dec;71(6):892-6. Epub 2008 Sep 5.
            ???
            Ivanovski PI, Ivanovski IP, Sedlarevic R. Are xenogeneic anti-tissue transglutaminase antibodies the holy grail for celiac patients? Med Hypotheses. 2007;69(6):1257-60. Epub 2007 Jun 5.
            ?
            Ivanovski PI, Ivanovski IP. Childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia is triggered by the introduction of immunization against diphtheria. Med Hypotheses. 2007;68(2):324-7. Epub 2006 Sep 26
            ???
            Vucevic D, Melliou E, Vasilijic S, Gasic S, Ivanovski P, Chinou I, Colic M. Fatty acids isolated from royal jelly modulate dendritic cell-mediated immune response in vitro. Int Immunopharmacol. 2007 Sep;7(9):1211-20. Epub 2007 Jun 6.

            Krusci? D, Peco-Anti? A, Spasojevi?-Dimitrijeva B, Stani? M, Milosevski-Lomi? G, Kosti? M, Ivanovski P, Borici? I. Pulmonary inflammatory myofibroblastic tumor associated with nephrotic syndrome. Pediatr Nephrol. 2007 Oct;22(10):1785-6. Epub 2007 Jul 17.

            ??????
            Periši? VN, Howard ER, Mihailovi? T, Vujani? G, Milovanovi? D, Ivanovski P. Cholestasis caused by biliary botryoid sarcoma. Eur J Pediatr Surg 1991;1:242-3.

            I know that the pharmaceutical industry began attacking homeopathy and other forms of healing over 100 years ago, and the brainwashing has been intense ever since. But what that has to do with Dr. Moskowitz having another doctor confide to him that every time the child received a DPT shot, he relapsed back into leukemia, after improving in between with natural remedies? Nothing.

            Interesting you should mention tetanus shots, because I included in my book an article from the BMJ about vaccinations, tetanus shots, and gamma globulins causing auto-immune diseases. I have a friend who had a severe reaction to a gamma globulin shot, and was subsequently diagnosed with M.S. My own brother received a bad cut at about the same time (I found out later, he lived about 500 miles away) that I stepped on a rusty, filthy roofing nail that went all the way into my foot. HE went for a tetanus shot. Thinking he was being appropriately cautious, he asked only for the tetanus shot, not the TDap (which is how most tetanus shots are given these days). I washed my foot thoroughly, soaked it in hydrogen peroxide, and then put drawing salve on it.

            Shortly after receiving his tetanus shot, my brother, previously hale and hearty, began feeling weak. It progressed over time, and he went to the doctor. He was diagnosed with ALS. He suffered terribly, and slowly died over the next couple of years. I’m still here.

            May 7, 2013 by DAVE MIHALOVIC

            Why You Never Need A Tetanus Vaccine, Regardless of Your Age or Location

            “If good drainage is facilitated from the beginning, tetanus will not result from a wound. If tetanus has developed, an incision should be made to afford drainage, removing the foreign matter, and once the wound is drained and cleaned, the bacteria will not be able to elaborate the powerful toxins.

            “A tetanus vaccine does NOT protect you from getting tetanus. While the medical profession likes to take the credit for ALL the decline of tetanus courtesy of a vaccine, this is simply NOT true.

            The proof of that lies with neonatal tetanus in the developed world, which DISAPPEARED well before the existence of either anti-toxin or a vaccine.”

          • shay simmons says:

            Reading comprehension FAIL, pea-brain. But hey, go ahead and keep digging. I said Dr Bell, his hospital and his organization don’t exist. They don’t. They may or may not have existed a century and a quarter ago and who was the one who accused me of focusing on ancient citations (from 1955)?

            http://disq.us/p/1hcr626

            Your link to the article on the Spectator (which you undoubtedly copy/pasted from one of your handlers) says “File not found.” Further proof — not that anyone needed it — that you mindlessly copy and paste without bothering to check your sources.

            Oh, and you obviously didn’t read Ivanovski’s paper (just out of curiosity, why are you citing the other publications that have nothing to do with immunizations?). Try again, and then look up the meaning of the word “hypothesis.”

            As for the rest of your claims, well:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bfa44e46ca5748f37cde900fa465f4bc6301c7f13f8a8528f86946f19e4b89c.jpg

          • Suki49 says:

            Handlers? I copied and pasted it from a search. If you REALLY care to see it, all you have to do is type in the basic information provided in the link, and you can find it. But you aren’t interested in the info, because you have a pharma agenda to fulfill. And calling someone a pea brain is very revealing. Those kinds of insults are often factored into a shill’s relentless put downs. And my, what a clever save, that they may have existed, but they don’t now.

            And as for Ivanovski, you provided the link. I put it in my browser, and what came up (1 page, and no more ) is what I read and commented on.

          • shay simmons says:

            If you use only secondary cites and never bother to check them, what you are doing is not research.

            Your link is broken — and Ivanovski’s paper discusses a hypothesis only. Reading comprehension FAIL.

          • Suki49 says:

            It wasn’t MY link, it was YOURS. When you provide a link, make sure it is correct and complete, or provide additional links.

            And now, when I try to reply, the reply space stays up for about 2-6 seconds, and then the page bounces up to the top of the article, and I have to keep scrolling down again just to type a couple of words. So, I’m done trying to make an honest person of you, because I know that is impossible, anyway.

          • shay simmons says:

            The link to the Spectator was mine?

            HAHAHAHAHA! Suki, you’re the gift that keeps on giving.

          • JoeFarmer says:

            Ron Roy’s sister?

          • shay simmons says:

            I doubt it. His family tree does not branch.

          • JoeFarmer says:

            LOL! I’ve long suspected that inbreeding was part of his problem…

          • Mike Stevens says:

            “It wasn’t MY link, it was YOURS.
            err.. excuse me Suki, but it was you who first cited Ivanovski.
            Shay kindly provided a citation to the relevant paper.
            I then note you provided more citations (but no links), all of them being quite irrelevant.

            “When you provide a link, make sure it is correct and complete”
            Shay hasn’t provided any dud links.
            You on the other hand have, such as the one to the Spectator
            http://archive.spectator.co.uk/…/11/dr-robert-bell-and-cancer
            [File not found]

            I suggest when you are in a hole, stop digging.

          • shay simmons says:

            And you copy pasted without bothering to check it out. Typical.

          • FallsAngel says:

            A trip around the mulberry bush to pick cherries? Hmm!

          • Suki49 says:

            Beautiful illustration of what the shills focus on, to the exclusion of important, life impacting information.

          • FallsAngel says:

            It was your post, dearie. If you expect to find cherries on the mulberry bush, no wonder you’re anti-vax.

          • Suki49 says:

            I know you must think you are very clever, but once again, it only shows how you are fixed in juvenile “thinking,” and try to make a “funny” out of two well known metaphors used in a sentence, which were not actually used in relation to one another. AND, in doing so, revealing that your agenda isn’t to engage in, or learn, the truth, but to play at any angle that will look like a “put down.” I’m sure all the 4th graders out there will be impressed, though.

          • FallsAngel says:

            One should never mix metaphors, Suki dear. Mulberries grown on the mulberry bush; cherries grow on cherry trees.
            http://www.infoplease.com/cig/grammar-style/mixed-metaphors-dollar-late-day-short.html

          • Suki49 says:

            Wow. Your dedication to the subject at hand (vaccinations, how poison they are, and the damage they cause) is underwhelming. You still think you’re funny, but you really had better save your stand up routine for the 4th graders.

          • Mike Stevens says:

            I already eviscerated most of your claims on this Suki.
            You can’t blame us for getting a bit bored now….

          • Suki49 says:

            I know you would like to think so, and you are a legend in your own mind. Dream on..

          • Mike Stevens says:

            I thought you were “done” with us all, Suki?

          • eggman2 says:

            I can not even read what he said to you because I blocked him a long time ago because of his BS.

          • eggman2 says:

            People that promote vaccines, and don’t vaccinate their children , do it because of the economic factor and not because they are good. They are psychopaths that could care less about human suffering.

          • AutismDadd says:

            What vaccines affect the blood Mike? And list them as a side effect? Shouldn’t be hard to find, or are you dragging your heels again?

          • eggman2 says:

            All of them do.

          • shay simmons says:

            The fact that you are so familiar with Dorit Reiss ( “Not Paid To Post?” Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, UC Hastings …) and Matt Carey ( Alison Singer Hand Picked Matt Carey For IACC, Embellished …) tells me you are not just some parent,

            University of the Bleedin’ Obvious, BS (hons).

          • Suki49 says:

            So, the other side of that coin is there are two camps familiar with Dorit and Matt. The postscript to the Obvious is shill for the pharmaceutical industry.

          • Link to these cases please.

          • Medical_Freedom says:

            Correct. If vaccines were safe then they wouldn’t require legal immunity from any side effects/harm/DEATHS they produce.

          • eggman2 says:

            This country, this civilization, is being destroyed from within, just like Rome was.

          • Suki49 says:

            Indeed, it is. In many ways.

          • Suki49 says:

            Big Pharma Is America’s New Mafia – The Daily Beast
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/…/02/21/big-pharma-is-america-s-new-mafia.html

            Suzanne_humphries_dissolving_illusions … – Jeffrey Dach MD
            jeffreydachmd.com/…/12/Suzanne_humphries_dissolving_illusions…

            Dr. Andrew Moulden: Every Vaccine Produces Harm
            healthimpactnews.com/2014/dr-andrew-moulden-every-vaccine-produces-

          • Suki49 says:

            What are you doing besides linking to “other people who also claim it.” ? And most importantly, again, linking to the foxes who are guarding the henhouses (i.e., huge financial profits, at the expense of their moral advancement).

          • Suki49 says:

            8 Reasons Why Your Child’s Doctor Pushes Vaccines …
            https://vactruth.com/2016/08/06/8-reasons-doctors-push-vaccines

          • Suki49 says:

            If Vaccines Are Safe, Then Why Did Congress Give …
            healthwyze.org/reports/200-if-vaccines-are-safe-then-why-did…

          • Medical_Freedom says:

            $$$$$$$$$$BRIBES$$$$$$$$

          • Suki49 says:

            I know the truth, and so do you. I know how hard the financial vested interests are fighting to maintain their power, profits, and control. All I can say now is that I hope I have a front row seat at your judgement before God, when everything is out in the open.

          • Suki, if you know the truth, all you have to do is post evidence. Get on with it!

          • Suki49 says:

            HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? Whatever doctors, who have the courage to stand up against the money machine, the money machine tells the public that these doctors are “quacks.” Whatever evidence is produced (and I have included evidence from medical journals in my book, which was found and reported before the medical mafia learned people were gleaning that information, and then started covering up), is called obsolete. I know all your tricks, including ignoring information I have produced in previous replies. I will leave it here, with an invitation to those who really want to know the truth. You are chasing your own tail, and mine. I have an open invitation to those who seek the truth, but I am done with you.

          • We’re talking about providing evidence, not repeating yourself.

            Can you explain why I have replied to those posts I am supposedly ignoring?

          • Suki49 says:

            Your only reply has been NOT to reply to the information supplied, but to repeat yourself like a broken record, hoping that people will ignore the facts, and follow the broken record.

          • That’s odd. Can you explain why I replied with that table then?

          • Suki49 says:

            What table? All I am seeing is more propaganda from the foxes guarding the hen houses, who have all the power and the money to suppress as much information as they can. They really had it easy before the Internet. All they had to do was keep the truth out of their bought off mainstream media, and prevent (or pull back) books from bookstores that tell the truth. It’s become a little more challenging for you lately, hasn’t it? But once again, your team has limitless power and money to attack the truth and continue disseminating the propaganda.

          • FallsAngel says:

            The black helicopters are landing soon.

          • Suki49 says:

            Oh, very clever. When you don’t have an intelligent answer, go to the trolls/shills handbook of handy insults. You forgot the tin foil hats, and the conspiracy theories.

          • FallsAngel says:

            Says the person who talks about foxes and hen-houses, and speaks of “limitless power and money to attack the truth. . . “. That’s way off in tin-foil hat territory and deserved an answer in kind.

          • Suki49 says:

            The metaphor for foxes guarding hen houses is true. The fact of the huge pharma industry and all it’s interconnected industries, and connections with the government is real. “The black helicopters are landing soon” is just a convenient put down. I know you know the difference.

          • AutismDadd says:

            Yes and the men in white coats have a room ready for you FalseAngel

          • AutismDadd says:

            Because its standard procedure?

          • Renè says:

            On Its Own Merits has been stuck in the “Compounds are not elements” groove for ages.

            …compounds are not elements…[scratch]
            …compounds are not elements…[scratch]
            …compounds are not elements…[scratch]
            …HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead…[scratch]
            …compounds are not elements…[scratch]

            Her metaphorical phonograph needle will wear out soon I hope..

          • AutismDadd says:

            You repeat yourself w/o providing proof. All you do is parrot the official denial tactics you read in your training manual

          • Medical_Freedom says:

            Suki? You are entirely correct. The vaccine shills have big pharma$ and the gov/CDC/FDA on their side. But not for long since President Trump was elected. Robert F. Kennedy and Robert DiNiro issued a mercury challenge. They are offering 100k to prove that mercury IS safe in shots.

            https://worldmercuryproject.org/robert-f-kennedy-jr-announces-world-mercury-projects-100000-challenge-goal-stopping-use-highly-toxic-mercury-vaccines/

            I’ll bet ‘On its Merits’ will have nothing to do with it. So much for offering any real evidence that vaccines are safe.

          • Brian says:

            Hi there “Medical_Freedom”. I have lots of studies showing that vaccines are safe in shots. Did you know that even if an infant had 10,000 thimerosal containing vaccines, it would still be well below the LD50 standard for thimerosal?
            http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925236

            If you’re willing to pay the $50 “processing fee” and the $200/hr “resolution fee”, then I’ll gladly submit some safety studies to RFK and split any winnings with you.

          • Suki49 says:

            How about you submit yourself to some vaccines where we can see it happening? LD50 studies are based on vivisection, which, in itself is crude, pagan, and most decidedly unscientific. But did you happen to see many of the references in the article you provided about handling the thimerosal for the “tests”? Here is just one:

            “Personal Protection: Safety glasses. Lab coat. Dust respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent. Gloves.’

          • Suki49 says:

            And it’s not just the mercury. Vaccines are made of various toxic chemicals and noxious biological waste products, and both groups of materials do not produce health, but DO cause hundreds of negative outcomes, including SIDS, cancer and leukemia, life-threatening allergies, paralysis, seizures, brain damage, auto-immune diseases, just to name a few.

          • FrenchKissed says:

            I believe I know the answer to that one- lots of crib recalls, new safety requirements for crib, bassinet and stroller manufacturers, and educating new parents about the danger of sleeping with their babies in their bed.

            Over the last several years I’ve been getting my titers as well as the vaccines that weren’t around when I was a kid, for diseases I hadn’t already had. After my first Hep B shot, I looked at the VAERS website to see reports of death after receiving the HBV shot. Most of the cases were SIDS, and many were accidentally smothered in their sleep, with co-sleeping specified or napping on couch.

          • Compounds are not elements.

            There are other countries in the world.

          • Renè says:

            HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.
            HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.
            HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.

          • well, stop lying about it and I’ll stop correcting you.

          • Renè says:

            Everytime On its Own Merits makes a post, God does a double facepalm (and Shiva does an eight-handed facepalm).

          • Evidence is the point. Not repetition.

          • Medical_Freedom says:

            YOU get with it Shill. Suki is correct. You are just another tool for the Vaccine makers. How much do they pay you to encourage people to dumb down and be poisoned? Or, allow their children to be?

          • Your claim, your burden of proof.

          • AutismDadd says:

            shill alert

          • Can you explain countries with public health systems?

          • Suki49 says:

            More deflection. That has nothing whatever to do with my comment.

          • So you think that the question has nothing to do with for-profit? Do you want to try again?

          • Suki49 says:

            Public health systems or private health systems, big pharma has it’s fingers in all of it. So, moot.

          • Suki49 says:

            Actually, that last paragraph in white is true. They do maim the population, causing a huge list of chronic illnesses that they JUST HAPPEN TO have drugs to “treat” those illnesses with. The drugs have side effects of their own, and so it goes around and around, with money coming back to the source of all the misery in the first place.

            Influenza Vaccine: Who Buys It and Who Sells It – rti.org
            http://www.rti.org/sites/default/files/resources/laytonwhobuysit.pdf

            VaxTruth.org | How Can it be About the Money …
            vaxtruth.org/…can-it-be-about-the-money-immunizations-are-free-right

            How the Government has Earned $3.5 BILLION from the Claim …
            https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/how-the-government-has-earned-3

            What Does U.S. Treasury Do With Vaccine Excise Taxes It …
            http://www.activistpost.com/2015/05/what-does-us-treasury-do-with-vaccine...

            Now, I think I have put out enough information for thinking parents who want to protect themselves and their families. I am tired of dealing with the needling of shills.

          • Those are claims.

            Now, what is your evidence for the shill gambit?

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            and so it goes around and around, with money coming back to the source of all the misery in the first place.

            Except that medical insurance providers encourage vaccination. There is no advantage for them to do so if vaccines cause illness.

          • Renè says:

            Insurance companies always make money Jonathan. If they start paying out more money, they simply raise the premiums.

            They need sickness to create the fear required to charge high premiums.

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            If they start paying out more money, they simply raise the premiums.

            If they financially encourage vaccination and that causes hundreds to thousands of times the number of claims and some percentage of those claims get covered then that company is immediately LESS competitive than any insurance company that doesn’t.

            In essence, by raising premiums they create a market for anyone to be more profitable than they are simply by not financially encouraging vaccination and financially discouraging vaccination would be hugely more profitable.

            So thanks again for pointing out how there is absolutely no advantage for a health insurance company to encorage vaccination or to not actively discourage it.

            They need sickness to create the fear required to charge high premiums.

            High premiums aren’t useful if they come with enormously high costs. Which you claim they do.

          • Suki49 says:

            There is only ONE “insurance company” that pays out on damages caused by vaccines. And that is THE TAXPAYERS, since 1986. Not only that, due process in court was also taken away, and the pharmaceutical/government coalition put in their own people to decide, from their money platforms, what might be declared death or damage from vaccination, at their whim. So, I would suspect there is an “agreement” between Big Pharma and the insurance companies (for them to promote vaccinations), just like there are ties between Big Pharma and Agribusiness, the Petrochemical industry, The Vivisection Industry, and many more. They really have achieved their goal of absolute power.

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            Insurance companies turn down claims all the time.

            The ability to turn down a claim still creates a situation where there is FAR MORE ADVANTAGE to discourage or not encourage vaccination.

            In other words: If vaccination creates millions of other medical problems then that’s millions of extra claims they have to turn down. Processing more claims increases costs and lowers profits. Any company that did not encourage vaccination or actively discouraged it would be more profitable.

            Isn’t it interesting that despite all the “research” your lot claims to do they can’t come up with a clear advantage to insurance companies to encourage vaccination if vaccination generates an enormous amount of medical claims.

          • Suki49 says:

            How do you know how much effort goes into denying claims? I am sure, since the government has made unholy deals with Big Pharma, Big Ag, etc., and kickbacks abound, the very fact that Obama (who declared a flu pandemic in 2009, when one did NOT exist) made carrying insurance mandatory, with fines imposed, suggests yet another deal was struck. My personal research has not been in the area of insurance companies, but the vaccines. And I am very well aware that the corporations who run this country, and all information outlets, are doing their utmost to wipe the Internet clean of truth, so that they may render access to it impossible, instead of just extremely difficult.

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            How do you know how much effort goes into denying claims?

            I worked in an insurance company. Denying claims means there’s an escalation path which means at some point you will have a bunch of highly paid people in a room deciding a claim. Not to mention that it would be highly unlikely to deny all the claims resulting from hypothetical vaccine damage since most people are vaccinated. Which would cost even more to the company. On top of that there’s the money they are spending to encourage vaccination.

            All of that would be pure profit in any organization which simply discouraged vaccination by offering lower premiums.

            Again, zero benefit in your conspiracy world.

          • Suki49 says:

            the Affair Health Insurance – The Dirty Secret Part 6 The …
            https://newswire.net/newsroom/financial/00069170-health-insurance

            This Pharma Company Admits to $2 Million in Bribes to …
            https://vactruth.com/2012/08/28/pharma-admits-to-bribes

            How Crafty Health Insurers Are Denying Care – US News
            health.usnews.com/…/25/how-crafty-health-insurers-are-denying-care

            Inside The Secret World Of Drug Company Rebates
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/05/10/why-astra

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            Your first, second, third or link says nothing about the topic. Which is, because it seems you’ve forgotten is the advantage that a medical insurance company would get from covering up vaccines directly causing millions of extra claims.

            Your fourth link is surprisingly almost relevant. The idea that pharmaceutical companies can give discounts to HMO’s. Presumably you might argue that this would constitute a benefit. However a 35% discount on vaccines isn’t going to create a net benefit for something which causes millions of extra claims for severe disabilities. Even if a pharmaceutical company was to threaten to remove these discounts if the insurer started to discourage vaccination. The reason those discounts exist is because of competition. So you could always switch to someone else.

          • While we’re on the subject, Jon.

            Other interesting things given all the research they claim to do:

            1)Not one of them has yet been able to point to a single piece of actual research they did.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e08003fe4aadb1b8f331de5aed53a362a624b2452a8ea50c0c82f86a16af5930.png

            2)Not one has yet been able to explain my standard question about countries with public health care systems.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            3)The fact that they seem to think you count like this:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/122066e83104494bc6ee44d50915725c1e5d8ae18a14e1f158948eb7fe973a98.jpg

            4)The lack of basic chemistry knowledge.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fcb1603d18e932fad27c48fdb553b465ae80fc4c14b43fc1f3f0ab6e2663f58.jpg

            5)The lack of knowledge regarding absolute vs relative risk

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bf5745fe4006f5e5bf1bdbea4c042bca918ef0e496a07a6673f095117c58b65.jpg

            I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can think of right this minute.

          • Jonathan Graham says:

            Yeah, even if we accept that they’re using the term to mean “collecting information”. They can’t seem to differentiate that and “look for things to read which I agree with”.

          • Even there, the difference between ‘reading the package insert’ and …oh I don’t know…’reading what NN, AOA, et al claim you find out if you read the package insert’ seems to elude them.

          • Renè says:

            Hey Suki! What is your book called? You mentioned that you had written a book and I would like to read it.

          • Suki49 says:

            It is titled “The Vaccination Connection,” and it will soon be posted online on the PRISM website (PeopleforReason.org). They are working on putting it on right now.

          • FallsAngel says:

            Oh. My. God!

          • FallsAngel says:

            Gads!

          • JoeFarmer says:

            Besides the hilarity of the story, his selfie is epic!

            Who besides nutbar Hubbs would take a selfie sitting on the floor in front of the clothes dryer wearing a cockeyed ball cap?

          • poppy72 says:

            You got the word right—( nutbar )

          • Do you understand how Australia’s health system works?

          • AutismDadd says:

            Do you? I doubt it.

          • Mike Stevens says:

            It seems filled with the usual antivax tropes, Suki.
            However, I note that most of the content relies on 40 or 50 yr old out of date concepts or data. When did you write it?

          • shay simmons says:

            That’s not quite true, Mike. Some of Suki’s data and concepts are 100 or 125 years old!

          • AutismDadd says:

            You use 40, 50 year old lies about vaccines. Kettle meet pot

          • AutismDadd says:

            Then why do we still use vaccines Mike? How old is the science on them?

          • shay simmons says:

            Is it full of secondary sources that you never bothered to check, Suki?

          • Suki49 says:

            It is on the site now.

          • AutismDadd says:

            I’m working on one too, called,” The Pro-Vaccine Neanderthal ” After spending time living among them chronicling their slow ability to understand vaccine safety and efficacy, their use of crude logic and the Blind Faith Syndrome most are infected with.

          • Ben says:

            It’s painful, and I’m glad that they are finally leaving me alone. No more drive-by snark from any of them.

            I suppose they save most of their energy for newbies, and I don’t think that Jon can stand to so embarrassed again. Perhaps he was so feminized by the experience—maybe his manboobs grew an entire cup-size overnight from an œstrogen–prolactin spike—that he simply can’t stand any more

            If he’d just play fair.. . . .

          • AutismDadd says:

            They block us because we corner them and expose their lies. Cowards

          • AutismDadd says:

            You think public health gets free vaccines from the fairy?

          • Suki49 says:

            I know it doesn’t. Why are you asking ME that?

          • AutismDadd says:

            An error. Obviously for justthefacts/ containing=/= bullshit

          • AutismDadd says:

            Its MEDICAL CONSENSUS and all the meme’s, talking points and juvenile pictures won’t change it. Medical Consensus gives medical professionals permission to over vaccinate.

          • Medical_Freedom says:

            Prove vaccines are completely safe. (sarc) Start by debating the settlements the Vaccine INJURY Compensation Program has paid out.

            Debate this while your at it.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271

          • Suki49 says:

            I guess nobody wants to debate those.

          • Mike Stevens says:

            I do!
            Where shall we start…?

          • Mike Stevens says:

            There have been about 2000 settlements over 25 years, for a total of something like 3 billion vaccines.
            This means there is less than one award for every million vaccine shots, making vaccines very safe compared to other medical interventions.
            We must also recall than many of the claims were still unlikely to have been due to vaccination, but compensation was granted anyway on a no-fault basis. Most claims for DTP vaccine causing encephalopathy we now know were quite incorrect (the problem being a genetic disorder discovered only after compensation payments had been made).

            Debate away….

          • AutismDadd says:

            The PHARMAFIA

          • Mike Stevens says:

            “listen to the doctors and scientists who have separated themselves from the money machine”

            First, I’d comment that these “doctors and scientists” who you talk about are in the majority rather unqualified to comment on the topic, seeing as how they are not experts in any of the relevant fields. And many are not even what we understand to be doctors or scientists at all, being quack chiropractors or homeopaths. But then, if you think a homeopath knows about clinical infection and vaccines, you are probably the kind of person who wouldn’t mind having a homeopath do your cardiac bypass op. Good luck.

            And secondly, you make reference to “money machine”. Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the overwhelming majority of doctors and scientists in the world don’t get vast sums of money for what they do. OTOH, those “doctors” who you would refer to don’t seem to be short of a bob. All those “supplements” they seem to sell, or donations from gullible people to further the “cause”.

          • AutismDadd says:

            yawn. same old blah blah

          • eggman2 says:

            Modern Medical Pseudoscience is a religion. You have to have faith in their priests the MDs ( Mad-Dupes) in order for them to stay in business.

      • eggman2 says:

        It is MD’ s ( Mad-Dupe) psychobabble.

  9. shay simmons says:

    If you were really interested in spreading the truth, you’d have mentioned that the Tripedia vaccine was taken off the market in 2011, and you’d also explain the difference between an adverse event and a side effect.

  10. Medical_Freedom says:

    MoveOn.org

    Repeal Immunity for Drug Companies Against Vaccine Injuries

    Petition by mur

    To be delivered to President Donald Trump, The United States House of Representatives, and The United States Senate

    Why should the drug companies be above the law? If vaccines are safe, there would be no need to grant the drug companies immunity. In 1986 Congress gave the drug companies immunity against all lawsuits from vaccine related injuries. The Federal Government is now paying out billions in damages to some parents whose children have been hurt by vaccines. While the drug companies continue to rack up huge profits, most families continue to pay for the damages with their own money.

    There are currently 47,482 signatures. NEW goal – We need 50,000 signatures!

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-immunity-for-drug

    PETITION BACKGROUND This petition was started by a citizen and not by MoveOn.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Repeal-The-National-Childhood-Vaccine-Injury-Act-of-1986/693229134132332

    In 1986 Congress granted immunity to vaccine makers against all lawsuits. This is blatantly unfair and un-American. No other industry group is protected in this manner. People in other countries can sue vaccine makers and do but we in America cannot! The US Government is now grudgingly paying billions to parents of children damaged by vaccines, but only after years of litigation. Only 1 in 5 claimants ever gets paid. This, at a time when the vaccine makers such as Merck make billions in profits. Sound familiar? Corporate socialism! The compensation money comes from a $0.75 excise tax that vaccine makers pay for each shot but this is hardly adequate. Families are often burdened with thousands of dollars each year to take care of vaccine injured (sometimes permanently) children. The maximum payout is capped at $250K if a child dies. Clearly Congress decided to serve the corporations rather than the people! THIS HAS TO STOP. NOW!

    The vaccine makers continue to make more vaccines and are lobbying state legislatures to remove existing personal and religious exemptions (e.g. SB 277 and SB 792 in CA). There is talk of making vaccination mandatory for adults also. Immunity from prosecution for vaccine manufacturers must be repealed because with immunity, vaccine makers have no incentive to make sure vaccines are safe. We want better and safer vaccines. This will happen ONLY if we repeal vaccine manufacturers’ immunity.

    Vaccine makers cannot lobby/pay politicians to force mandates on our kids, grand kids and on us and not pay for the damages their products cause! Our medical freedoms are paramount and no government should force us to inject chemicals into our bodies without our consent! Not in the LAND OF THE FREE!!

    WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SHARE THIS WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS AND FAMILY. PLEASE MAKE THIS CAUSE YOUR OWN. TOGETHER, WE CAN GET OUR RIGHTS BACK!! Please comment if you may.

    Please watch/read and decide for yourself if vaccines are safe or not.

    1. https://vimeo.com/126792405

    2. http://vaxxedthemovie.com/

    3. http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/04/robert-de-niro-debates-autisms-link-to-vaccines-today-2/

    4. http://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/

    5. https://vactruth.com/2016/06/03/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated/

    6. http://avoiceforchoice.org/

    OVERALL GOAL: A minimum of 100,000 signatures! We can do it!!

  11. FrenchKissed says:

    You do understand the difference between an adverse event and an adverse effect, don’t you? The latter is a negative reaction to a drug and the former is any negative occurrence involving a patient receiving treatment. It doesn’t have to be caused by the drug, it’s just anything a patient (or patient’s parent or doctor) reports. They are required to inform you of of anything that a certain percentage of users reported (a very LOW percentage, but not if it’s just one crazy person).

    That is why SIDS so often makes the list on anything given to babies, even though it most often turns out to be an accidental smothering (for example: mom gets up at 3AM to breast feed crying baby and falls asleep; baby slips into armpit crevice and suffocates). It is a terrible tragedy, and I fully understand why blaming a vaccine would be preferable to acknowledging that you accidentally rolled over on your baby and smothered him. Sleep deprivation or no, that’s got to be a tough one to accept.

  12. Suki49 says:

    Medical Freedom’s comment from 7 days ago is STILL awaiting moderation?

  13. DJEB says:

    Why? Well, before answering why, I will point out that you lack the requisite basic understanding of adverse events verses side effects. You need to study up on that first.

    As for the inserts, in the UK, they would be written much as they are in the U.S., which outlined in the following:

    Part C from “Guidance for Industry Adverse Reactions: Section of Labeling for Human Prescription Drug and Biological Products — Content and Format”:

    “Decisions about whether to include an adverse event from spontaneous reports in labeling are typically based on one or more of the following factors: (1) seriousness of the event, (2) number of reports, or (3) strength of causal relationship to the drug.”
    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/UCM075057.pdf

    In other words, if someone says that there was a severe adverse reaction – no pathological report needed – then the drug company is legally obliged to put it on the label.

    This can lead to a scenario like the following: even though a multi-year international study with over 1.4 million children looking into a causal connection between autism and vaccines has turned up no connection, manufacturers are still legally obligated to print it as an adverse reaction on the label.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

  14. Which is it? Is it listed as a side effect or an adverse event?

  15. eggman2 says:

    Ah, the good old MDs (Mad-Dupes) they are only here to help us DIE SOONER. There is a Spanish slang word for them ” matazanos ” ( killers of healthy people).

  16. eggman2 says:

    I was listening to Coast to Coast AM when someone was being interviewed claiming that he knew a story of an extraterrestrial alien in the Eisenhower White House. He claimed that the alien gave advise to president E. on many areas. The most important area to me was medicine. He said that the alien asked Eisenhower to get rid of all junk medicine and replace it with herbal medicine and other natural medicines. Eisenhower rejected the proposal saying that it would hurt the economy.

    I believe that story, but not so much on the alien part, but on the part that one of our presidents would sacrifice our people’s health for the sake of the economy. That is probably being done all the time.

  17. AutismDadd says:

    Vaccine proponents deny the two BIGGIES, SIDS and autism are vaccine related. Of course sore arm is their favorite adverse effect.

  18. NOTUSINGMYUSUAL says:

    I got a few things to say about this. VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM. The reason you see children with autism after a vaccination is simple. Your not aware of autism until you hear, “vaccines give autism” HURR DURR. you dont deveolp autism, your born with it, its hard to notice in newborns. Autism is something that you can RANDOMLY be born with. Whats happening is children who are born with autism go undiagnosed. When they get the vaccines they are around the age were symtoms are a bit more visible. The superstition about vaccines makes the parents think about autis, thus they are more liekly to spot symptoms. Vacines dont cause autism. It just seems like it, it looks like it. but it isnt the actual cause, people are randomly born with autism. Dont treat it like vaccines are the sole cause of autism.The reason autism is on the label is for leagal reasons, the vaccines are accused of giving autism bby alot of idiots so they have to write it down. IT EVEN SAYS “Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.”. Dont blame vaccines for autism, its really just dumb luck. You just happen to realise ur childs autistic after a vaccinations. Maybe because theyre at the age were they can show their symptoms.

    Vaccines interact with the immune system, not the developing of the brain.

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